Topic: Helix 9, 10 and 12 Just found them listed from one of my distributors!

[Ronquest]

Found the new Helix models listed, but no specs on them yet.  I imagine they are going to be replacing  the 8,9, and 11 series.  Dang, I just bought mine too.  Hope they network together.

Anyone have any info on these yet?

Ron

[rnvinc]

Very little info has been released yet ...

There is talk that this line of larger Helix will network ...





Rickie

[Bob B]

The unofficial word is that they will network and MSRP supposed to be $999 for the 9" and $1499 for the 10" and may have chirp.

The official specs aren't out yet, so this is speculation......Maybe have chirp also.

[Ronquest]

Listings and MSRP for some of the new Helix models.  Some KVD models will be included.
Looks like CHIRP will be offered.

        Model                     Item           MSRP
HELIX 9 SONAR GPS     409920-1    $699.99
HELIX 9 DI GPS            409930-1    $799.99
HELIX 9 SI GPS MAP     409950-1    $999.99
      
HELIX 10 SONAR GPS   409960-1    $999.99
HELIX 10 DI GPS          409970-1    $1,099.99
HELIX 10 SI GPS MAP   409990-1     $1,499.99

HELIX 12 CHIRP GPS     410000-1     $1,699.99
HELIX 12 DI GPS          410010-1     $1,799.99 
HELIX 12 SI GPS MAP   410030-1      $2,299.99    
      

[TroyBoy30]

409920-1   HELIX 9 SONAR GPS   New   8.60   $738.37   Email   Email
409930-1   HELIX 9 DI GPS   New   8.60   $843.85   Email   Email
409950-1   HELIX 9 SI GPS   New   8.60   $1,054.81   Email   Email
409950-1KVD   HELIX 9 SI GPS KVD   New   8.60   $1,018.87   Email   Email
409960-1   HELIX 10 SONAR GPS   New   12.60   $1,018.87   Email   Email
409970-1   HELIX 10 DI GPS   New   12.60   $1,120.74   Email   Email
409990-1   HELIX 10 SI GPS   New   12.60   $1,528.29   Email   Email
409990-1KVD   HELIX 10 SI GPS KVD   New   12.60   $1,528.29   Email   Email
410000-1   HELIX 12 CHIRP GPS   New   14.00   $1,732.07   Email   Email
410010-1   HELIX 12 CHIRP DI GPS   New   14.00   $1,833.96   Email   Email
410030-1   HELIX 12 CHIRP SI GPS   New   14.00   $2,343.40   Email   Email
410030-1KVD   HELIX 12 CHIRP SI GPS KVD   New   14.00   $2,343.40   Email   Email

[lancepeterson]

Any word on AutoChart Live on these units? Maybe that map designation is for live map

[Beaulieu80]

Why implementing Live on Helix at lower cost when you can make more money on the Onix unit?

I think they will keep that feature on Onix to make them more unique

[Ronquest]

Just received this!

Humminbird® Supersizes HELIX®, Refines CHIRP Technology
New HELIX 9, 10 and 12 CHIRP offer bigger screens, networking and AutoChart® Live

EUFAULA, AL. October 21, 2015
On the heels of HELIX® 5 and the ICAST 2015 "Best of Electronics" award-winning HELIX® 7, Humminbird brings anglers and boaters new supersized HELIX® units with unprecedented functionality. Please welcome
HELIX 9
HELIX 10
HELIX 12 CHIRP


HELIX 10

The big brothers of the compact-format HELIX 5 and 7, the new HELIX 9, HELIX 10, and HELIX 12 CHIRP bring an eye-popping 1500 nits of widescreen brightness to your boat, making them easily readable in direct sunlight - even when wearing sunglasses. "One of the most common requests by anglers is to be able to see the screen better and we've answered their call," said Jeff Kolodzinski, Humminbird Brand Manager. But that's not where their powerful performance stops.
 
The HELIX 9, 10, and 12 CHIRP offer the full range of Humminbird Imaging technologies like patented Side Imaging®, Down Imaging® and 360 Imaging® compatibility making fish-finding a lot more about the finding.
 
One of the biggest HELIX advancements is that the new models are Ethernet capable, allowing them to share waypoints and SONAR across the network. "You want to have a unit right where you fish, so it's really an advantage to be able to run more than one unit on the boat while sharing data across the network," Kolodzinski continued. Many anglers have one on the console and one on the bow. Anglers can now see the same waypoints, SONAR and other data on both units and be in the know, wherever they are in the boat. Ethernet networking also brings compatibility with Minn Kota® iPilot® Link™ for the ultimate in boat positioning and fishing navigation.
 


HELIX 9

Even better, anglers can now go where no map has ever been with one-of-a-kind, patent-pending AutoChart® Live technology, which allows anglers to make their own maps in real-time, no PC, server or Cloud connection required. Internal memory will store up to 8 hours of mapping data, or add an optional ZeroLine SD card for years of recording and the ability to share map data with a buddy.
 
And when it comes to getting around on your favorite waters, all are LakeMaster compatible with new PLUS map cards with aerial image overlay.  Anglers will continue to enjoy the patented Humminbird LakeMaster benefits of Water Level Offset, Shallow Water Highlight and Depth Highlight.
 
While all that tech talk may scare away some folks, the hallmark feature of any Humminbird is ease of use. The HELIX 9, 10 and 12 CHIRP all feature the new REFLEX™ operating system. "It's an upgrade for sure, but it feels and operates in the classic Humminbird simplicity that has won the bows and consoles of so many anglers," said Kolodzinski. "The units are so easy to operate while delivering many technology options for fish finding and navigation."
 


HELIX 12

HELIX 12 CHIRP: Fish-Finding Powerhouse
 
The HELIX 12 CHIRP boasts all the aforementioned attributes of the HELIX 9 and 10, but make no mistake about it, this is the head of the family.  The 12.1 inch widescreen display is large and in charge and is fortified with built-in CHIRP SONAR technology.
 
The HELIX 12 CHIRP uses long transmit pulses that sweep across bandwidths of frequencies that are then processed using advanced Digital Signal Processing (DSP) to result in high-resolution SONAR with increased target separation and reduced noise.  Enhanced target separation allows anglers to clearly identify game fish and baitfish, while reduced noise offers clear, sharp SONAR images.
 
The pulses used by the HELIX 12 CHIRP sonar along with the advanced Digital Signal Processing also allow it to obtain deeper depths while maintaining optimal resolution.
 
Not all forms of CHIRP are created equal. Some CHIRP products only allow the angler to utilize a pre-defined frequency bandwidth. In addition to providing pre-defined frequency bandwidths, the HELIX 12 CHIRP also allows the user to select multiple bandwidth settings to fully customize the SONAR to their unique preferences and fishing applications.
 
Humminbird's HELIX 12 CHIRP also works with a wide variety of optional transducers, and it is capable of CHIRP'ing through frequencies ranging from 28 kHz to 540 kHz.
 
"Side Imaging, Down Imaging, and 360 Imaging, continue to offer game-changing advantages in finding structure and fish," reflected Kolodzinski. "When you fold CHIRP into your electronics arsenal you have one more way to look at what's going on down there, but it's still only one piece of the fish-finding puzzle."
 

[Whistler]

Looks like they are up on Humminbird.com now

http://www.humminbird.com/Freshwater/Lifestyle/HELIX_FW/

[JoeyWelch]

I wonder if they are a true down imaging unit & ducer? Or if they are still using the Side Imaging crystal?

Anyone know?

[Whistler]

The specs show they are still using the same transducer as the prior modesl, 119x, 99x, and 89x.  So the DI will be a composite of the left and right SI returns.

[jabsy]

Will they have a dedicated NMEA2000 port? Or will you still need the NMEA adapter? I want fuel flow on my unit.....

[sfitz]

How will onix fit into all this will it be phased out soon?

[rnvinc]

How will onix fit into all this will it be phased out soon?

ONIX will be the flagship platform for some time to come ...

HELIX is replacing the core series line ...

Rickie

[sjefsrafsern]

Does anyone know If these units Will ethernet and share ducer With The core units?

[Bob B]

The Helix 9 thru 12 will network with the core units ..... but I don't think it has been established whether the transducer sharing will work the same as the 99 series.  There are some restrictions on transducer sharing between the 98 and 99 series....some things share one way but not the other.

Humminbird has a spreadsheet that shows the sharing capabilities, but it hasn't been updated yet for the Helix 9-12.

[sjefsrafsern]

Ok thanks, then they probably Will share 2d between all units and 2d and si between si units as The core units does. If This is The case, its good news then i can get away With one ducer and get autochart live and keep 98 core unit to run cannonlink.

[sfitz]

Will they all be chirp or only the 12s as above and is chirp built in or is there a separate box to buy.
 

[Bob B]

Only the 12 will have chirp built in ..... The transducer options for the chirp aren't fully understood yet.

[hjertman]

I have a few answers as the first post on the forum! 

For the Helix 12 you can use Airmar or Humminbird transducers.

At the moment the Helix 12 Chirps the 83/200 at 80-86 kHz and 175-225kHz
The 50/200 at 20-70kHz and 180-220kHz
( we will see what the finished frequencies will bee as they are not released yet )
you can manually select between what frequencies that you want it to chirp, for example 193-217kHz

The Hummingbird transducers is 25-35 on the Q scale ( as stated by Airmar ). but they are verified to work with selected frequencies without destroying the piezo ceramic element ( and with a safety margin ) but seeing they are High Q. the better option is to upgrade to a low Q chirp transducer.

The first step would be to upgrade to a Airmar TM150 or similar if you want lower Q performance.

I have not seen anything about chirping DI och SI ( do not think that will happen just yet )

[rnvinc]

I have a few answers as the first post on the forum! 

For the Helix 12 you can use Airmar or Humminbird transducers.

At the moment the Helix 12 Chirps the 83/200 at 80-86 kHz and 175-225kHz
The 50/200 at 20-70kHz and 180-220kHz
( we will see what the finished frequencies will bee as they are not released yet )
you can manually select between what frequencies that you want it to chirp, for example 193-217kHz

The Hummingbird transducers is 30+ on the Q scale. but they are verified to work with selected frequencies without destroying the piezo ceramic element ( and with a safety margin ) but seeing they are High Q. the better option is to upgrade to a low Q chirp transducer.

The first step would be to upgrade to a Airmar TM150 or similar if you want lower Q performance.

I have not seen anything about chirping DI och SI ( do not think that will happen just yet )

I'm curious as to where you obtained your information ...(even the HB xducer Q factors are proprietary... unless you have measured and calculated them yourself... which definitely would be cool in itself) ...

I usually see bbcboards.net (and their sponsors) garner the most recent release data ...

Rickie

[hjertman]

I'm curious as to where you obtained your information ...(even the HB xducer Q factors are proprietary... unless you have measured and calculated them yourself... which definitely would be cool in itself) ...

I usually see bbcboards.net (and their sponsors) garner the most recent release data ...

Rickie

i don't know the Q factor actually. they won't say exactly what it is. so i am going to edit the post. But since it is a standard piezo ceramic element with the cost the is 5-10% of a low Q transducer from Airmar. I think it's about 25-35 on the Q scale. but it's not bad thing. a high Q transducer can sometimes be better than a low Q transducer at a specific frequency. but it's not as good for chirping.

Airmar goes even out to say that most transducers made from Lowrance, Garmin and Humminbird are about 25-35 on the Q scale. if somebody has the means and the time to measure transducers, it's Airmar.

And what i know about the 12 series. I have played with one for a few hours at METS tradeshow in Amsterdam. It's AWESOME!
Sadly tho i think it's a onix killer! Since it has a dedicated DSP and a screen that is brighter than the sun ( allmost  ) and it's fast. really fast! and i like the reflex menu system.

[kosmo]

i don't know the Q factor actually. they won't say exactly what it is. so i am going to edit the post. But since it is a standard piezo ceramic element with the cost the is 5-10% of a low Q transducer from Airmar. I think it's about 25-35 on the Q scale. but it's not bad thing. a high Q transducer can sometimes be better than a low Q transducer at a specific frequency. but it's not as good for chirping.

Airmar goes even out to say that most transducers made from Lowrance, Garmin and Humminbird are about 25-35 on the Q scale. if somebody has the means and the time to measure transducers, it's Airmar.

And what i know about the 12 series. I have played with one for a few hours at METS tradeshow in Amsterdam. It's AWESOME!
Sadly tho i think it's a onix killer! Since it has a dedicated DSP and a screen that is brighter than the sun ( allmost  ) and it's fast. really fast! and i like the reflex menu system.

I'm  still not sure that it even matters(for people that fish shallow water).There's  two things that people say ,that chirp improves for shallow water fishing.Better target  separation  and less clutter on the screen.I have an onix10,that I've been using the 200khz with the surface clutter setting,set at either 1 or 2 along with the sensitivity turned way up.I'm  seeing a clean screen while tracking an 3/32 tube jig down in 18 ft. of water.I've  been keeping the jig above the structure,and can see the crappie come up to it.I can see,maybe we're Humminbirds standard  transducer,using the chirp for a fixed frequency  might be helpful,but don't  see buying an airmar chirp transducer  to be worth it.