Author Topic: Making Permanent Borders (Read 14484 times)

wrktoomuch · « **on:** August 21, 2011, 07:45:17 PM »

Fishing in the NY,NJ area has been getting tougher with the crackdown on NY's stricter size and bag limits. Is there a way to permanantly mark a border on my 997? I created waypoints, but don't see an option to leave a marking line between them.

ITGEEK · « **Reply #1 on:** August 21, 2011, 08:32:43 PM »

You could create waypoints on the outside corners of the areas in question.
You could then create one or more routes using those waypoints.
When you select to go to a route, it will draw a line
through all of the waypoints in the route.

RGecy · « **Reply #2 on:** August 21, 2011, 09:25:56 PM »

Yeah, but it will try to make you follow the route, and you wont be able to navigate to other waypoints.

No way to put a line between the waypoints, I would just do more of them and change the name in HB PC to something different so you can easily sort and delete if you want.

Robert

Wingnutt · « **Reply #3 on:** August 21, 2011, 11:30:49 PM »

Maybe do it with a track instead of waypoints and save it.... not sure if you can change color on it to aid discerning it.

wrktoomuch · « **Reply #4 on:** August 22, 2011, 07:58:19 AM »

If I did it with a track, wouldn't I have to follow the track first? If so, that would be a jagged line.

Wingnutt · « **Reply #5 on:** August 22, 2011, 11:02:41 AM »

First, the disclaimer... I don't know what I'm talking about... but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.

You could do it that way... but you would burn an awful lot of fuel. I would just manually create a gpx file with the track. A gpx file is just a file of type XML with some specific tags. You don't really need to know how to create one because there are a lot of free online tools that will do it for you if you have the Lat, Long coordinates. Google Gpsbabel, or "creating tracks in gpx". It will look something like this:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<gpx creator="GPS Visualizer http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/" version="1.0" xmlns="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/0"
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/0
http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/0/gpx.xsd">
<trk>
<name>Brd</name>
<trkseg>
<trkpt lat="40.481677968" lon="-74.20472324"></trkpt>
<trkpt lat="40.498248333" lon="-74.047575497"></trkpt>
<trkpt lat="40.495856315" lon="-73.999922793"></trkpt>
<trkpt lat="40.494893906" lon="-73.930974871"></trkpt>
<trkpt lat="40.477610118" lon="-73.883089777"></trkpt>
</trkseg>
</trk>
</gpx>

If you don't understand what all this is/means... just post a list of the coordinates of the border and I will create it for you when I get the chance. I might be in the Shark River/ Atlantic Highlands area in a few weeks for fluking so it wouldn't be a bad idea for me to have it as well (assuming NY/NJ can ever agree on borders). Feel free to include some honey holes if you want too as I'm not familiar with the area.

wrktoomuch · « **Reply #6 on:** August 22, 2011, 04:18:09 PM »

That sounds great Wingnutt. I am trying to get the numbers. 3 different sources, 3 different numbers. I am now waiting for a call back from both NJ and NY dept of fish and game. It's like its a secret so everyone can get screwed.

Wingnutt · « **Reply #7 on:** August 22, 2011, 07:02:40 PM »

And you thought I was only kidding. That boundary has been disputed since day one (remember when both states were fighting it out for who 'owns' the Statue of Liberty?)

Anyway, I'll be fishing tomorrow so I won't be able to get to it until the next day. One thing to keep in mind is that the coordinates need to be sequential... just like you're playing connect the dots (because that's what you really are doing) so if you could make sure they are listed in that manner, it would be easier.

mendota · « **Reply #8 on:** August 23, 2011, 09:32:16 AM »

The right way to do this is with a track. I'm not sure if Google Earth shows an explicit border, but I know you can export tracks from GE.

Also, Bing and Google Maps have latitude and longitude capability, which you could use to generate the track points.

Good luck on getting points from the state agencies - it looks like an awful lot of the marine border is "center of the channel", which is entirely open to interpretation.

wrktoomuch · « **Reply #9 on:** August 24, 2011, 04:18:05 PM »

Amazing, but both agencies got back to me and they're using the same map they've used since 1887. Google Earth shows the border so I will try to get the coordinates from the lighthouses they use for marks.

Wingnutt · « **Reply #10 on:** August 25, 2011, 07:40:00 PM »

wrktoomuch,
Are you looking for the border along the Raritan or Hudson.... or both?

wrktoomuch · « **Reply #11 on:** August 25, 2011, 08:41:15 PM »

Both. The whole border you see on Google maps. Its not there on Earth, where you could get coordinates.

Wingnutt · « **Reply #12 on:** August 27, 2011, 06:34:45 AM »

Here are the two files. They are in *.ht format (Humminbird track). Just unzip them and put them in the matrix folder on the SD card. Once there, you can either load them into HB PC for viewing in Google earth (after downloading to HB PC) or load them directly into HB unit.

On the HB unit, you might not be able to see it until you change the color and line type (at least I couldn't on mine). Solid thick line & red color works best IMO.

These aren't exact lat/long coordinates. They were traced on map so I can't guarantee their veracity but they are close enough for your application (fishing). If the other boaters start acting like jerks... you've strayed in NY waters

(just kidding NY guys).

Good luck with the storm approaching!... we pulled the boat on thursday so we won't be doing any fishing for a while.

SonarTRX · « **Reply #13 on:** August 27, 2011, 09:40:19 PM »

Hi wrktoomuch and Wingnutt,

...For comparison with your results Wingnutt, I downloaded the NJ boundary files from the NJ GIS website, and converted from the NJ state plane coordinate system to Geodetic coordinates (WGS84). I then generated a KML file for the boundary and converted that to GPX files, using SonarTRX w/two options:

1) Boundary as a GPX track (so the line is visible on the Humminbird sonar display).
2) Boundary as a GPX routes (for navigation)

The two gpx files can be downloaded from:
http://www.SonarTRX.com/Documents/Downloads/NJ-NY-Track.gpx
http://www.SonarTRX.com/Documents/Downloads/NJ-NY-Route.gpx

The boundary waypoints are named "NJB-1".... "NJB-168"
The track is named: "NJT1", and the routes are named "NJR14", "NJR24", "NJR34" and "NJR44".
(...the routes were split in 4 sections to stay within 50 waypoints per route)

I did not include the entire NJ boundary, and the above files can be trimmed with Notepad to elliminate points of no interest.

I also used the two *.ht files that Wingnutt provided for comparison.
...and i also reviewed the NY boundary.

There are several differences between the NJ and NY boundaries published on the web, and also with the lines in the *.ht files from Wingnutt. (I am not sure what source you used when you digitized?)

Tore

tore@sonartrx.com

http://www.sonartrx.com

Wingnutt · « **Reply #14 on:** August 28, 2011, 04:20:28 PM »

NICE!!

wrktoomuch · « **Reply #15 on:** September 03, 2011, 02:32:51 PM »

Wow, thanks so much guys for all the help. I haven't checked the post since Wednesday when I pulled my boat before the hurricane. I will try it this upcoming week.

Wingnutt · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2011, 07:55:44 AM »

Tore's is more extensive and in all likelyhood more accurate... particulaly along the Hudson. I don't think you'll have any problems with Fish & Game using either one... particularly since no one can give a definite border.

wrktoomuch · « **Reply #17 on:** September 04, 2011, 09:21:18 PM »

Wingnut and Tore, thanks so much guys. Got the border on my 997 and am going fishing tomorrow. You will be PM'ed any good spot I find.

wrktoomuch · « **Reply #18 on:** September 05, 2011, 09:31:15 PM »

Nothing good to report on fishing guys. Very rough water. Wingnut , before the hurricane, the Swash and Ambrose Channels close to border or into NY waters were on fire. To rough to tell today. Had to seek shelter from Sandy Hook beach like everyone else and pick.

Wingnutt · « **Reply #19 on:** September 07, 2011, 12:44:22 PM »

wrktoomuch,
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