Topic: 999 vs 998

[river life]

What's the difference between 998 c hd si and 999 c hd si. Does the 999 have internal GPS and the down / side image 800 khz. 

[Bob B]

Information is just starting to come out on the 99 series units.
Known differences so far are:
1.  They do have internal GPS.....you can still add an external if you wish.
2.  They have a faster processor...this is always a good thing.
3.  They have a different Ethernet connector that allows the Ethernet connection to be part of the cable collector.....but requires and additional adapter cable that is not included with the unit.
4.  They have a new software release.....details of this aren't known yet.
5.  The MSRP is less than the previous models, but the previous models can be found on very good closeout sales.
6. Down and SI should be the same as previous model.

[river life]

Went to humminbird website they don't have the 999 . But they show the 899 without full specs. on the unit. What i have read and talked to humminbird the 1199,999 have 800 khz but the 899 does not. Meaning 899 will not have the picture quality when viewing side and down imaging. I have saw a lot of miss leading information while searching the web. Im so confused.

[Bob B]

Read post #50 on this thread    http://www.bbcboards.net/humminbird-sonar-gps/427245-humminbird-899-si-hd-di-3.html  from a guy who bought one....a lot of initial confusion when he purchased it, but the 899 does have 800Khz.

Greg will probably check in and be able to verify this.

[newkid4si]

Bob B
   
       Thanks for the link to the bbc post. Interesting reading. This will eventually get sorted out.
       Coordination in the marketing department appears the have gotten a bit tangled up.
       Odds are the units will work fine.

                 Mike

[river life]

Just read the bbc board post. So you have buy a ethernet adaptor that costs $30.00 and it does have 800khz. Right. I hope hb list full specs on the new units. They saying specs wont be listed until they have been shipped.

[navionic]

 899с will not initially with frequency 800 kHz. Only via Ethernet.

[Bob B]

Just read the bbc board post. So you have buy a ethernet adaptor that costs $30.00 and it does have 800khz. Right. I hope hb list full specs on the new units. They saying specs wont be listed until they have been shipped.

The problem is they have been shipped and dealers are selling them but the full spec and manual havent been released yet.....but yes, the guy who bought one has powered it up and verified that the option for 800Khz SI is available.

[navionic]

The problem is they have been shipped and dealers are selling them but the full spec and manual havent been released yet.....but yes, the guy who bought one has powered it up and verified that the option for 800Khz SI is available.

Is this a joke? 899с is equipped with a transducer XNT 9 180 T  How can there be 800 kHz?

[Bob B]

Is this a joke? 899с is equipped with a transducer XNT 9 180 T  How can there be 800 kHz?

Did you look at the thread I posted?  That is the information I am going on right now.

Where did you get the information about the XNT 9 180 T transducer?

[newkid4si]

Bob B

     Although I have no information to go on, I wonder if you both could be right.
     Maybe the unit ships with the XNT 9 180 T transducer but the head has the 800kHz capability
     that if you replace it with the original 998 transducer, it will work.
     I would think that most of the SI is done in 455kHz.

          Mike

[navionic]

     that if you replace it with the original 998 transducer, it will work.
     I would think that most of the SI is done in 455kHz.

          Mike

No Mike. 899c will only work with XNT  9 180 T . Perhaps this model will be cheaper , than 898c.
899c was conceived as a competitor to the popular 7-inch model Lowrance.

[newkid4si]

    Thanks for the info. I would think that HB would have the specs on the website by now.

[Kokanee]

I have just found 5 ebay sellers with the HB 899 in the $980 range, free shipping (no tax if you live out of their state), and all listing it with the XHS-9-HDSI-180T transducer.

[Bob B]

No Mike. 899c will only work with XNT  9 180 T . Perhaps this model will be cheaper , than 898c.
899c was conceived as a competitor to the popular 7-inch model Lowrance.

Here is the specifications listed by one of the sellers:

Huminbird 899ci HD SI Combo - Side Imaging TM Transducer Model# 409150-1

USA UNIT, ENGLISH ONLY, NO METRIC


859ci HD SI

Super-bright LED backlit LCD provides bright, crystal-clear images for easy viewing in harsh sunlight. Some anglers believe they have a sixth sense for finding fish. The rest of us need a little assistance. And that's OK - because six senses don't hold a candle to seven inches of HD, super-bright, fish-seeking brilliance. Especially when you also have full access to Humminbird Imaging Sonar, 2D Sonar and advanced navigation. All in all, it's one whale of a technological advantage. And science beats hooey every time.

    HD 7-inch display: 480V x 800H, 16:9 Color TFT display
    Includes HD Side Imaging®, HD Down Imaging® and DualBeam PLUS™
    Sonar coverage of 20°, 60° & 180° @ -10dB
    Sonar frequencies of 200/83/455/800 kHz
    2.5" target separation
    Depth: 150' (SI) & 1,500'
    8,000W (PTP), 1,000W (RMS)
    Selective Fish ID+
    Internal GPS Receiver 10Hz
    GPS Speed Included
    Dual SD Card Slots
    Upgradable Software
    Ethernet Networking
    Comes standard with XHS-9-HDSI-180-T transducer
    Options: Navionics® Gold/HotMaps;, 360 Imaging®; QuadraBeam Plus™; 5-Port Expansion Module; Minn Kota i-Pilot® Link™; Radar; NMEA 2000®; and AIS

[river life]

hummingbird told me you could not replace the transducer with a 800 kHz because the unit could not support it. as of now I think its the same as a 798 but with a bigger screen.

[Bob B]

As of now, I think the 899 is a replacement for the 898 which has the same specifications as those posted above.
I think the 600 series may be the replacement for the 798.

[newkid4si]

Bob B

      Noticed this in the specs---- 8,000W (PTP), 1,000W (RMS)

      Isn't that the 50kHz 1kW deep water transducer?

[Bob B]

The 2 things I was looking at are the frequencies and the standard transducer.

I have seen problems with the advertised specifications in the past.......so I wouldn't go all in yet.
If these Ebay sellers have the specification completely wrong, they are going to have some really ticked off customers.

[newkid4si]

I agree with you. I'm going to wait for the dust to settle before I do anything.
Besides it's 27 degrees outside now. Less than ideal conditions for SI scans.

[Humminbird_Greg]

Sorry guys, I tried to post on this late Thursday night but our Internet went down.  I have not been able to get back here until this morning and wanted to make sure the correct information gets out here so some of the dust will settle:

Yes the 899ci HD Si unit ships out with the XNT-9-Si-180-T Compact Side Imaging (CSi) transducer.

Yes the 899ci HD Si unit has the 800kHz Si/Di sonar capability if the Transducer Select (Connected Transducer) menu is set to the Hi-Def Sidescan setting and one of the HDSi type transducers is connected (or Ethernet connected to).  With this menu on the correct Compact Sidescan setting you will not have the 800kHz setting option.  Exactly the same as with the 898 model units.

[Bob B]

Thanks for clearing this up Greg.
 Not sure I understand why they are shipping it with the XNT-9-Si-180-T .
These Ebay guys must have the specification wrong.

Any idea if there will be a swap out program for the transducer.

Also, is it only the 899 that ships with the XNT-9-Si-180-T transducer?  How about the 999 and 1199?

[Humminbird_Greg]

We do have a Transducer Exchange Program.  I don’t know why it would not apply to this transducer as well as it did for the 797 and 798 units we built in the past.

The 999 and 1199 units ship with the XHS-9-HDSi-180-T transducer.

[river life]

So the 899 is 800khz capable only if  you change out the transducer with a XHS-HDSI-180-T transducer and use a Ethernet cable connected to another unit like 1198c si combo,998c hd si combo or 898c hd si combo. So in other words the new 899 is not the same as the 898 unless I do what's been said above.  I want the power and picture quality as the 1198,998 and the 898 units without the extra gps receiver. I thought the 899 unit was the unit I was wanting because of internal gps and its only $999.99 at bps.

[navionic]

hummingbird told me you could not replace the transducer with a 800 kHz because the unit could not support it. as of now I think its the same as a 798 but with a bigger screen.

Yes. Here it is written clearly and simply.
New 899c only compact side scan mode.
Therefore, such a low unit price. Even now on sales for 898c asking more than $ 1000
And if you go back to the topic of the post, I would like to hear more differences from 998ñ to 999ñ, except for the internal and external gps module, design.

[Humminbird_Greg]

So the 899 is 800khz capable only if  you change out the transducer with a XHS-HDSI-180-T transducer and use a Ethernet cable connected to another unit like 1198c si combo,998c hd si combo or 898c hd si combo. So in other words the new 899 is not the same as the 898 unless I do what's been said above.  I want the power and picture quality as the 1198,998 and the 898 units without the extra gps receiver. I thought the 899 unit was the unit I was wanting because of internal gps and its only $999.99 at bps.

river life, that should read “or” in your text: you would need to exchange (for less than $100 I’m guessing) the Compact Side Imaging transducer for the High Definition Side Imaging transducer or you could Ethernet connect the 899ci HD Si unit to another unit that is already using the HDSi transducer.  You do not have to do both.  So for less money you will get a unit that has the same capabilities as the 898 units did.

[navionic]

you would need to exchange (for less than $100 I’m guessing)

Greg ,   Thanks.
frequency of 800 kHz still there! victory
Prompt replacement program will work worldwide or only in North America? Tell me in detail how to make such an exchange transducers.

[Humminbird_Greg]

Sorry Navionic but was away on personal business again.

Transducers are only exchanged through our CRC folks here in Eufaula, Alabama.
If you are outside the U.S.A. try contacting the distributor that you bought it from to save on shipping and customs fees.  Some may perform the exchange.
Here is a link to the transducer exchange page on the Humminbird web site: http://www.humminbird.com/FAQ.aspx?ContentId=1766