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Title: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on May 13, 2009, 10:13:56 AM
Hi
First a short presentation of myself as I first became a member a few days ago and this is my first post here.

My name is Martin and I live in Denmark. I have had a Humminbird 997 of almost a year, but have not used the recording option that much. It have been annoying me quite a lot that there is no viewer to view the recordings - at least not without converting them first, and I have not found any viewers that can show both the 'down' sonar recording together with the SI recording.

As I currently is sentenced to stay in bed most of the time because of some back problems, I decided to write my own viewer....

The program file have become too big to be attached to a post, but a link to the newest version of the installation file can be found here: HumViewer software link (http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=172.0)

Best regards
Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: dybvad417 on May 13, 2009, 01:56:26 PM
Hej Martin

Er der nogen chance for at det også vil kunne bruges til  Snapshot  ?

Mvh

Gert

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on May 13, 2009, 02:23:33 PM
Hej Gert
Hvordan bruges til snapshot ?
Tænker du på at loade en .png og så få info om dybde, ændre farver osv ?

/Martin
Title: HumViewer - Screenshot
Post by: mrj9600 on May 13, 2009, 11:06:35 PM
I have attached a screenshot of the program.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mirb on May 14, 2009, 03:16:27 AM
Great job! In my 797CX2 seems to work on data recorded with firmware 4.180 and 4.510 and not with the 3.940.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on May 14, 2009, 03:24:04 AM
Hi Mirb
Can you send me a data recording done with firmware 3.940. I am pretty sure that I can get the program to work with that version as well. I will send you a pm with my email address.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: RGecy on May 14, 2009, 09:52:56 AM
Martin,

Great work! You have put some great features into it and look forward to seeing more.

Good Luck and let me know if I can help with anything.

Robert
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on May 14, 2009, 02:09:46 PM
Hi Robert
Thanks for the reply. I have a lot of idea to new functionalities I want to put into the program, but right now I want to concentrate on getting the features I have already made stable and correct.

My two main issues that I could use some help on is the following;
- The latitude/longitude in the recordings are if I understand it correctly in Mercator meters. I have found various conversion formulas, but I dont seem to be able to get exactly the same result as the HB shows. Do you (or anyone else) know the correct formula to do the conversion ?

- It seems like there is ~50 pixels in the recordings per meter (depth), but is that always true or is there a way to calculate the pixel/depth ratio ?

I hope there is someone that can help me with these questions.

Thanks in advance
Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: George on May 14, 2009, 05:12:12 PM
Great Work Martin,

I am curious as to what programming language you are using?  I did a lot of programming many years ago an I am out of date on how one goes about developing programs in today's world..  My programming was limited to Colbol, Basic, etc, plus Hexadecimal and Binary, I have not done anything for 20 years.  Side Imaging has caught my imagination and I would like to try some programming again. 

Also, Robert what program are you using to write YellowFin?

George
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on May 15, 2009, 12:36:33 AM
Hi George
I would say that modern progamming languages compared to Colbol and Basic is like the difference between using a Humminbird sonar compared to using a cord with a stone to find the depth of the water :)
I am using Java as programming language. I love to program in Java compared to e.g C++, and all compilers and GUI development tools are freely available. Many programmers would probably use C#/.NET but I have no experience with those languages.

With regards to my question posted yesterday concerning the conversion of latitude/longitude, late last night I figured out what the problem was. In the conversion formula I had not ensured that all number used was double, so I most have got a mathmatical rounding error in some of the calculations. After fixing that, I get the calculation precise within a few meters compare to what I can see that son2xtf calculates. That is close enogh for me :)

So now I only need help on the pixel to depth ratio....

Meanwhile I will go ahead an generate a bigrecording file (~1Gb) and test the program with that.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: George on May 15, 2009, 06:13:54 AM
Thanks Martin,

You are right I am outdated, when I started in 1967, it was called Electronic Data Processing, programming used a teletype machine and punch cards to communicate with the computer which took up a whole room.  I did a lot of database, and statistical programming (no graphics).  My first personal computer was a Radio Shack Model III with 4 k of memory (also TI programmable calculators).   

The HB Side Imaging has so much information and there are only a few programs for viewing the information.  Actually the only ones I know of is your new program which is exciting and Roberts Yellow-Fin viewer for SI which is great.  Yellow-Fin got me spend a lot of time reviewing my recordings because there is so much information that we miss when we are on the lake.  His program allow us to speed up, slow down and stop the screens for viewing, not to mention that the computer screen is larger for better viewing. 

As you know we always want more, I would like to see a program which has all of the capabilities to mimic my 1197C.  Between these forums and the programming you guys are doing there is not much more that we could want, not to forget the SI units.

George
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: RGecy on May 15, 2009, 01:03:28 PM
As for a program that will mimic the humminbird, it will most likely only be done by Humminbird.  The problem is not the recorded data, but the post processing or filtering that is done by the system.  I think we could come close, but never get it spot on.  I just had this conversation yesterday, and the issue is that the filters they use will never be released to the public. 

Martin has done a great job at putting together a nice viewer.  I think it has alot of potential!

I know that Humminbird will probably release a full SI Viewer with Humminbird PC one day! Hopefully!

Robert
Title: HumViewer - New release 1.002
Post by: mrj9600 on May 21, 2009, 12:26:21 PM
I have just released a new version of the HumViewer program. I can be downloaded from here: http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=172.0 (http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=172.0)

The new version (1.002, Dated 21/05-2009) have the following:
Version 1.001 (Release date 21/05-2009)
- Can now handle any size of recording.
- Calculation of Latitude/Longitude is now correct.
- Load new files faster and images are updated faster.
- Waypoints can be created by right-clicking on a sonar image.
- Waypoints and track can be viewed in Google Earth.
- Waypoints and track can be exported to .kml or .gpx format.
- Recordings done with older firmware (e.g. 3.940) can be viewed.
- Added a Color Model editor so user can make custom color models
- Viewer can 'play' recordings.
- Sonar images can be cropped.

I hope you will like it !
Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on May 25, 2009, 01:02:41 AM
Hi, Martin!
Good work !!
After saving track in .gpx format, program DrDeph does not distinguish depth from a file.
How it to treat?   :)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Depth in .gpx file
Post by: mrj9600 on May 25, 2009, 03:31:59 AM
Hi Chiboo
I have checked the program and the depth information should be in the .gpx file. However it seems like the depth information in the .gpx file must be specified in centimeters (the info in the recording file is in 1/10m).
I have fixed this, and the fix will be included in the next version.

As I dont have the Dr.Depth program myself I cannot test it, but can you confirm that Dr. Depth do read the depth from the .gpx file but the depth is off by a factor 10 (i.e 15 meters is read as 1.5 meters by Dr.Depth).

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Blackwaterkatz on May 25, 2009, 10:03:00 AM
? How does the 'crop' feature work?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on May 25, 2009, 10:13:34 AM
You set a 'from depth' and a 'to depth' in the two number drop-downs, select the crop check-box and press apply, then the sonar image will only show the part of the image that is within that depth range.
If you uncheck the crop check-box and press apply the whole image is shown again.

Hope that answers your question.


Just as a note. I have today remove the crop check-box and the apply button, so from the next release you only need to set the 'from depth' and/or the 'to depth' to get the image cropped.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on May 26, 2009, 12:37:39 AM
Hi Martin!
You can logon to http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DrDepth/messages/30?xm=1&o=1&m=p&tidx=1 (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DrDepth/messages/30?xm=1&o=1&m=p&tidx=1) to  get more info about DrDepth and convertion data to .gpx...
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on May 26, 2009, 01:16:47 AM
Hi
Chiboo: Can you point me to which thread in that forum that contains the information about the .gpx format ?

I have tested the .gpx by loading it into the Humminbird PC and it looks ok there, so it must be valid. I have also checked the documentation for DrDepth and it should also be valid there.

BUT I have decided to add the option to save the track as .csv file. This format can for sure be imported into DrDepth.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on May 26, 2009, 02:17:44 AM
Again greetings Martin!
On the forum, has paid attention that already there was a problem with data acquisition of depth from.gpx a file generated HBPC. On a site of the developer there was new version DrDepth 3.6. Probably in this version the problem is solved. I yet did not try this version. May be anyone tested that ?
Your thought to export the data in .csv  format is very good, since except DrDepth exist still different software. For example MapInfo with plugin VerticalMapper is able to work with tables and to build 2D and 3D cards, including isolines.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: dybvad417 on May 26, 2009, 10:43:49 AM
Hey Martin

I have the DrDepth  3.6 full version.

I used DrDepth with my old Lowrance LMS480.

I have now fixed a rs232 cable from the Humminbird 987 pigtaile.

I have tested it in the harbour and it seems to work allright.Nvh

Gert
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on May 26, 2009, 11:19:10 AM
Hi Gert
When you connect via the serial (rs232) you get the position and depth directly via the NMEA protocol.
The question is if you save a recording track as a .gpx file and load that in DrDepth, do you then get any depth information ?

But wait with that test until I have released next version. The depth info currently saved in the .gpx is a factor 10 too low.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: George on May 29, 2009, 06:21:02 AM
Martin,

Humviewer is great, I have spent hours going back over my recording (appx. 15 GB).  I am saving all of my recording on a separate drive for future review.  

I continue to find different ways to use the program, such as I found that you can toggle the play button stopping the recording when you see something then toggle the Left, Right or the both button to view that area.  Toggling Play to start and stop the recording is a great benefit.  

I was hoping that HB would come out with a computer program which would emulate the unit with the ability to speed it up.  Your program goes a long way in bridging the gap.  I use both Humviewer and YellowFin both they both are great programs.

I think you have all of us looking forward to your next updates.  Also, I would like to see others share their finding that might help us better use this program.  

Thank You for all of your work.
George

Title: *** New release of HumViewer - Release 2.021 ***
Post by: mrj9600 on May 30, 2009, 06:16:02 AM
Hi all
First I want to thank all those of you that have commented my program so nicely. It is great to know that my work is appreciated.
The new release have some extra (nice) features, so please take the time to upgrade. Notice that I have moved files around, so the structure of the project is better. The easiest way to upgrade is simply to delete the old release and download the new one.

IMPORTANT ! If you have created your own color models, then please export them before upgrading. The color models
can be imported after the upgrade.

To install the new release, just run the HumViewer install (http://humviewer.cm-johansen.dk/files/HumViewer_2.021.exe) file.  It will install the program to a directory of your choice.
After installation is completed then execute the runHumViewer.cmd file that will be placed in the install directory.

Change log:
Version 2.021 (Release date 30/05-2009)
Note a few things have been changed in the way they worked compared in earlier releases.
The most importation changed functionality is probably that the create waypoint function is moved from
mouse right-click pop-up menu to the 'Utilities' view (Press the Utilities button in the upper right corner
and select 'Create waypoints').

IMPORTANT ! You must extract all files from .zip file to make this release work - Preserve the directories structure in the zip file

Full change log:
- Color Model Editor bugfixes and improvements.
- Now all channels are loaded, if e.g. there is two 2D channels recording then both are loaded. File name to type
  is configured in HumViewer.xml
- Time field changed to spinners so it is faster to go to a specific time in a recording
- Jump to waypoint from waypoint dialog
- Apply button in image panel removed. Now setting are applied immediately
- Crop checkbox in image panel removed. Instead max depth is included in list of 'crop to depths'.
- When loading a .dat for a snapshot, the position that the snapshot was taken is now shown in the dialog.
- Split pane can now be moved to the sides to let one side be larger than the other.
- Added possibility to have sonar images top/bottom or 3-windows view.
- BugFix: When exporting data to .gpx file, the depth was off by a factor 10.
- Bugfix: Depth change finder utility did not use correct range calculation.
- Added option to save track as .csv file for importing data into e.g. Dr.Depth.
- Created measurement tool to measure distance. Is found under 'Utilities' view.
- Created measurement tool to estimate height Is found under 'Utilities' view.
- Created waypoint is moved from mouse right-click pop-up menu to 'Utilities' view.
- Bugfix: When cropping image from 5, 15, 25 meter the unit stated 4, 14, 24.
- 'Depth change' finder is moved from control panel to 'Utilities' view
- Create new recording as part of original recording
- Print snapshot of recording
- Save snapshot of recording
- Make 'movie' from recording
- Make track plot map

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on May 30, 2009, 09:25:28 AM
Hi
I have just been aware of the fact that the program requires the screen resolution to be at least 1280x1024 to show the control bar correctly. So if you are running a lower resolution than that, then do not upgrade to version 2.021.

I will make a bug fix so it can run with resolution down to 1024x768 as fast as possible and release a new version.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on May 30, 2009, 12:36:21 PM
Greetings, Martin!
Thanks for work!! Yes, the problem with screen resolution is present. All thought how to see records on the laptop from which I write. Once again thanks for work.
Title: *** New release of HumViewer - Release 2.022 ***
Post by: mrj9600 on May 30, 2009, 01:24:55 PM
Here is the new release that should fix the problem with screen resolution less than 1280x1024.

Here is a link to the installation file: HumViewer install (http://humviewer.cm-johansen.dk/files/HumViewer_2.022.exe)


****************************************************************************************************
Version 2.022 (Release date 30/05-2009)
- Bugfix so program can be used with screen resolution down to 1024x768. The radio buttons for selecting
  layout is replaced with a drop-down box. The scrollbar for moving back and forward in the recording is
  made smaller is screen resolution is lower.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on May 30, 2009, 01:57:14 PM
Great work, Martin. ¿Is posible make a similar programa for mosaicing SI images??
regards
fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on May 31, 2009, 12:28:56 AM
Great work, Martin. ¿Is posible make a similar programa for mosaicing SI images??
regards
fran

Hi
I have thought about it, but I believe it would require some very heavy image processing to mosaic SI images. Is there any programs out there that can mosaic SI images ?

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on May 31, 2009, 12:35:53 AM
Hi
It is necessary to cross SonarWiz.Map with navigation, Piscatus 3d and DrDepth in a single whole with possibility to work in the fly and to receive that so long all people wait and discuss. As, most likely, any fishfinders cannot really do it in real time it is necessary to hope that Humminbird will make technical possibility to receive sonar data on the computer.

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on May 31, 2009, 12:40:08 AM
Martin, give me your e-mail in PM...
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on May 31, 2009, 01:58:57 AM
Hi
Martin, check e-mail.
Best wishes.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Mosaicing SI recordings
Post by: mrj9600 on May 31, 2009, 02:29:40 AM
Hi
I downloaded a few examples of the SonarWiz mosaicing result, and got an idea how it maybe could be done. The first problem is that I dont have any HB recordings that are suitable for trying to mosaic from.

Is there anyone that have one or more recording from a limited area that you are willing to share with me. If so please let me know.

The other problem is that I current dont have a ftp server they can be uploaded to, so does anyone have a ftp server that can be use ?

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: reso on May 31, 2009, 03:45:27 AM
Hi Martin,


Great update! I love it.




Only problem seems to be still the exporting of the tracks:



When I export it in .gpx the track looks great in e.g. Drdepth, but shows incorrect depths, is it possible for you to save a track in drdepth .gpx format (1/10) in the menu?

When I resort to .csv export, the track is not correct. It seems that I have a lot of lat and long that are the same even for different depths...Loading in drdepth shows a very short tracklength, with thousands of points that are all the same.


Thanks,

reso

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mirb on May 31, 2009, 04:54:32 AM
About mosaicing SI image you can download a demo of 2 programs at: http://www.deepvision.se/download.htm (http://www.deepvision.se/download.htm)
Title: *** New release of HumViewer - Release 2.023 ***
Post by: mrj9600 on May 31, 2009, 06:06:29 AM
Only problem seems to be still the exporting of the tracks:
When I export it in .gpx the track looks great in e.g. Drdepth, but shows incorrect depths, is it possible for you to save a track in drdepth .gpx format (1/10) in the menu?
When I resort to .csv export, the track is not correct. It seems that I have a lot of lat and long that are the same even for different depths...Loading in drdepth shows a very short tracklength, with thousands of points that are all the same.


Hi Reso
You are right that the .csv export was not correct. I have corrected is in this release: HumViewer install (http://humviewer.cm-johansen.dk/files/HumViewer_2.023.exe)

****************************************************************************************************
Version 2.023 (Release date 31/05-2009)
- Bugfix: Export of track data to .csv was not correct.



Regarding the .gpx, then I dont know how to fix it. I have tested .gpx in Humminbird PC and it looks correct there. If someone can tell me exactly what needs to be changed so the .gpx can be loaded in DrDepth then I will be happy to change it.
But else I will recommend that you use the .csv export to be loaded in DrDepth, that should work now in version 2.023.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on May 31, 2009, 07:33:48 AM
Hi Martin!
While a mosaicing the important factor with what resolution of sm per pixel will rendering data for the further binding to place.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: reso on May 31, 2009, 10:08:54 AM
Hi Martin,


Great work, the new version works like a dream now with the .csv files. Finally I can try to make a big map of all my past recordings.


Thanks!


Reso


Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on May 31, 2009, 03:10:43 PM
I think I have some ideas for transforme HumViewer in HumMosaic but my english is so bad that is imposible for me to express.
Somebody read spanish in this forum??
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on May 31, 2009, 03:26:15 PM
The basis of sidescan sonar mosaicing is to automatically plot each ‘pixel’ of sonar data, on a display,
with respect to the track of the sidescan sonar tow-fish. The track is very rarely the straight line that it
appears to be in a typical waterfall display. This process effectively geo-references each pixel of sonar
data so that it is correctly positioned within an appropriate coordinate system. In other words the sonar
data are displayed on a screen or printout in their correct geographical location with respect to the track
of the tow-fish or tranducer. Coordinates must be metrics (Mercator or UTM).
Regards
Fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on May 31, 2009, 04:25:42 PM
http://www.jncc.gov.uk/PDF/mmh_PG1-5.pdf (http://www.jncc.gov.uk/PDF/mmh_PG1-5.pdf)
http://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=5&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hydrakula.uni-kiel.de%2Fdownloads%2FSidescan%2520Sonar.doc&ei=CwkjStXpKePRjAeV3oStBg&usg=AFQjCNGEK3Qzd_j5INXZZ6FAxKXhuO8s7A&sig2=G8GYfhKE4GHcZp_2iXWubA (http://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=5&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hydrakula.uni-kiel.de%2Fdownloads%2FSidescan%2520Sonar.doc&ei=CwkjStXpKePRjAeV3oStBg&usg=AFQjCNGEK3Qzd_j5INXZZ6FAxKXhuO8s7A&sig2=G8GYfhKE4GHcZp_2iXWubA)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on June 01, 2009, 02:31:30 PM
Martin, when creating waypoints, the field "name" is showing blank and is necesary introduce a name otherwise wpt is not create. ¿Is posible HumViewer present a consecutive number in this field??
Regards
Fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 02, 2009, 01:08:49 AM
Martin, when creating waypoints, the field "name" is showing blank and is necesary introduce a name otherwise wpt is not create. ¿Is posible HumViewer present a consecutive number in this field??

It is quite easy to implement what you request, but what can a waypoint with just a number be used for. Is it not better to assign a descriptive name for each waypoint ?
If I make your request, would it be okay if the waypoints are named e.g. '#2' or do you (and others) prefer just the number.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 02, 2009, 01:22:37 AM
The basis of sidescan sonar mosaicing is to automatically plot each ‘pixel’ of sonar data, on a display,
with respect to the track of the sidescan sonar tow-fish. The track is very rarely the straight line that it
appears to be in a typical waterfall display. This process effectively geo-references each pixel of sonar
data so that it is correctly positioned within an appropriate coordinate system. In other words the sonar
data are displayed on a screen or printout in their correct geographical location with respect to the track
of the tow-fish or tranducer. Coordinates must be metrics (Mercator or UTM).

Thanks for the links to the documents.
I can tell you from my initial attempts to make the mosaic, that it is not as easy as it might sound to plot 'each pixel of sonar
data so that it is correctly positioned within an appropriate coordinate system'.
I have few ideas left to try, but I cannot promise that I will ever get a working program out of it.

I have got one good recording from one of your guys, but it would be great if I could get a few more. It is necessary to have more than one recording for testing, else I risk making something that will only work for the recording that I based to program on.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: George on June 02, 2009, 05:42:14 AM
Hi Martan

On Wpts I would prefer just a number or a letter.  HB does not allow us to hide the titles and when zooming in on a wpt the name hides part of the map.  My Lowrance allows me to hide the name and has a small dot in their wpt system.  Sure wish HB would fix this.

Also, what is the purpose of sonar mosaic that folks are asking for????

George
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: cweb on June 02, 2009, 07:23:38 AM
With the intrest that Humviewer is generating, Why doesn't it have it's own listing instead of being listed under "Other". This is turning out to be a great program that most of us have been looking for.
I am thankfull for the work that has go in to this Forum and Humviewer. Thanks again Carl.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: RGecy on June 02, 2009, 11:04:38 AM
With the intrest that Humviewer is generating, Why doesn't it have it's own listing instead of being listed under "Other". This is turning out to be a great program that most of us have been looking for.
I am thankfull for the work that has go in to this Forum and Humviewer. Thanks again Carl.

Carl, Welcome to the forum!  Ask and ye shall recieve!  Now, this is your first post, I expect to see some more!

Martin, Keep up the good work.  The program is looking great.

Robert
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on June 02, 2009, 05:19:30 PM
It is quite easy to implement what you request, but what can a waypoint with just a number be used for. Is it not better to assign a descriptive name for each waypoint ?
If I make your request, would it be okay if the waypoints are named e.g. '#2' or do you (and others) prefer just the number.

/Martin

Martin, I use mi Humminbird SI for mapping bottom and your program is very usufull for this task. If every time that I click for creating a wpt field name will be fill, it will save me time in drawing a rock contour. Another solution will be to create user track. Perhas the best solution. I hope you can  understand my bad english. Sorry.......
Regards
Fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 03, 2009, 04:42:13 AM
Martin, I use mi Humminbird SI for mapping bottom and your program is very usufull for this task. If every time that I click for creating a wpt field name will be fill, it will save me time in drawing a rock contour. Another solution will be to create user track. Perhas the best solution. I hope you can  understand my bad english. Sorry.......

Hi Fran
I dont quite understand how you draw a rock contour from the recording. Can you explain a little more about how you do it.

And a question to all: Currently waypoints are created on the point of the recording (i.e. where that boat was). Would it be better that when a waypoint is created from a SI, then the waypoint is created where the mouse is pointing. E.g. if you locate an object is identified 40 meters to starboard, then creating the waypoint by clicking with the mouse on the object would place that waypoint right on top of the object ?

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on June 03, 2009, 05:44:56 AM
Hi Martin!
You still need SI track also ?

Alex
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: reso on June 03, 2009, 05:47:26 AM
Hello Martin,

About the waypoints: I do think that it would be best to have the waypoint from where the cursor is.

I am not too interested in the boats position, its all about the structure's location.

regards,
Reso

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: George on June 03, 2009, 06:01:21 AM
I agree with Reso

Once we locate the structure we can position the boat.

George
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on June 03, 2009, 06:38:52 AM
Hi Martin!

Check your e-mail.

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on June 03, 2009, 10:29:11 AM
Hi Fran
I dont quite understand how you draw a rock contour from the recording. Can you explain a little more about how you do it.
/Martin

Martin, look attachement.  I think white contour are border rock nearly exact because are in front of beam and I draw for delimit rocks. Red contour are not valid because are behind of beam or dowm waterfall. I hope this give you am idea of I need.
Apoligize my bad english.
Regards
Fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on June 03, 2009, 11:48:53 AM
Actually, and in what sense of it? Basically sense from SI this best permission at scanning for visual viewing, as any software at present cannot (or does not want, or wants for the big money) that or to receive from this data except a mosaic... As far as I understand, at you have797 ...... And so really is as a boat for the beginner..... To give money for to try... And then to give money it is even more.... And so I am better at once have given money more....
Title: Wish list
Post by: mirb on June 04, 2009, 08:28:03 AM
I would like to add in the wishlist:

- make sub recording from a start point to an end point marked with the mouse directly in the SI view..

- scroll the view with a scrolling mouse..
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: reso on June 04, 2009, 01:07:52 PM
Hi Martin,

Have been using your software extensively in the last few days.
Some things I noticed:

If I scan with 800 Khz it shows on the screen 455 and scanning with 455 shows 800 khz.



When viewing the 200 Khz, it shows a lot of debris etc, since I guess the TVG is off in the recordings and on in the 997 while scanniing . This probably means that TVG is a postprocessing step by HB that is not in the actual recordings. No idea how to simulate this afterwards.


When you are going to add waypoint marking for objects next to the boat, as discussed before, you never know whether it is to the right or left of true north, since the boat can move in any direction while scanning, you'd have to incorporate the boats heading to assess the actual location under the cursor.


You think it is possible to lighten up the SI view, since the sides are sometimes dark. e.g. What can be done in Deepview, I guess some kind of auto balance of levels, like in photoshop, leveling out the histogram.



Thanks for this great piece of software, above text  is not critisizing, just trying to help to make it even better!


regards

Reso









Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: RGecy on June 04, 2009, 05:03:06 PM
All of the data recorded in the files is raw to my knowledge.  All the processing is done live or on playback.

I don't think Martin has any filters in place just yet.

Robert
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: reso on June 05, 2009, 12:51:40 AM
that is my understanding too, but if Martin gets bored...perhaps it is a nice addition to Humviewer ;)


Reso

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on June 05, 2009, 01:13:01 AM
Hi all.
In a head there lives thought, as though in SI mode to realise function of definition and allocating object (in an ideal fish) from all the rest. By the current moment in real time mode successfully use SI technology very skilled person with the very correctly set up equipment can. In other cases the person can see object by steadfast consideration of record and even after that the right decision that we see not always is accepted.... Basically Fran aka arnados has given interesting idea. On the basis of it the idea was born at processing RAW data, at a conclusion of SI of the data to the screen to try to form a contour as follows. To allocate front of splash in a signal and its beginning of falling with what or separate colour, it is as a result possible can the required result will turn out. The stern of it will need to think of filtering the supporter of peaks, but at least to try look that from this it can to turn out. The Example on a picture.

/Alex
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 05, 2009, 01:51:27 AM
Hi Reso
It sound weird about the frequency that is shown wrong. The frequency is in the header part of the .son file together with the raw recording data and it is this frequency I show. Could it be that the Humminbird put the wrong frequency in the files ??

I have noticed too that there is a lot of debree on the 200kHz recording and the HB probably uses the TVG and sensitivity setting to filter some/most of this away. My problem is that I dont have enough knowledge about sonar filtering teories to make effecient filters as the ones in the HB. Making a filter that lowers the sensitivity is probably relatively easy, but the TVG filter seems to be more complex.
I might give it a try (if I get very bored  ;) ), but I would say that this is one of the reasons why we must hope that Humminbird one day will release a viewer, they are the only one that can implement the same filters as the filters in the real Humminbird.

Best regards
Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: RGecy on June 05, 2009, 05:56:16 AM
Martin,

You are correct.  Only Humminbird will be able to accurately duplicate their filters.

A filter to clean up noise would not be too hard.   I actually use a simple filter on the HBSI converter to remove some the noise near the center line.  It slows things down a lot though.

Robert
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: cweb on June 06, 2009, 04:25:15 AM
Two questions. Can I change the speed and depth to feet and MPH? and can it show Quadrabeam playback? GREAT program and thanks again. Carl
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 06, 2009, 06:10:33 AM
Hi
Currently it cannot show speed and depth in mph/feet. One day I will probably make it.

I have never seen a Quadrabeam recording, so I dont know. But I have prepared the program for extra recording files so I think it is easy to configure the program for it.
If you have a recording you can send to me, then I can check/fix it.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: cweb on June 06, 2009, 06:16:58 AM
That's fine. I can live with metric. Next time out I'll make a Quadrabeam recording and send it to you. Carl
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: nielseno on June 06, 2009, 03:07:04 PM
Hello, Martin, love your software.  If there's any way to donate to you, let us know.

Here's a link to a site that has the calculation of a waypoint from a known waypoint and a bearing + distance (distance at an angle).   If you look at the html source, you will see the javascript embedded in the page.  I haven't verified if all the code is there but I couldn't find a reference to a js file so I think it's all there.

http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm (http://williams.best.vwh.net/gccalc.htm)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 06, 2009, 11:18:33 PM
Hi Nielseno
Thanks for the nice words. Regarding the waypoint, bearing+distance. Done it already  :)

I just want a some extra things added as well before I release the next version.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on June 08, 2009, 09:22:43 AM
Martin, I live at NW Spain and tide have significative effect on depth. I think will be very usefull adding time and date to export track if it were posible.
I have hear files *.dat embed date and  time in Unix format and each ping embed time in milliseconds since recording started. If this is true, is posible that export track embed time and date for posterior tide correction?
Thanks
Fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Blackwaterkatz on June 09, 2009, 04:31:08 AM
I have downloaded the newest version, but now I don't have the utilities or scroll bar? [attachment=1]
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Blackwaterkatz on June 09, 2009, 04:40:25 AM
UpDATE!  I deleted the old files and reinstalled; now it works just fine.  Great Job! 
btw, your english is quite good, so don't worry about that. :)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 14, 2009, 12:39:19 AM
Martin, I live at NW Spain and tide have significative effect on depth. I think will be very usefull adding time and date to export track if it were posible.
I have hear files *.dat embed date and  time in Unix format and each ping embed time in milliseconds since recording started. If this is true, is posible that export track embed time and date for posterior tide correction?
Thanks
Fran

Hi all
I have been a few days on the hospital to get my back operated as I has a slipped disc. The operation went well, but I am not able to use my computer for too long the next week or so.

To Fran: Yes you are correct that the time and date is in the .dat (and .son) files. Which export format are you using (.csv, .gpx or .kml). It will not be possible to export the time/date to the .csv as that is a fixed format with only position and depth (at least if DrDepth should accept the files). I cannot remember if there is an official tag in the .gpx and/or .kml to hold the date and time. I will investigate that when my back gets a little better.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: cweb on June 14, 2009, 06:33:09 AM
Hi
Currently it cannot show speed and depth in mph/feet. One day I will probably make it.

I have never seen a Quadrabeam recording, so I dont know. But I have prepared the program for extra recording files so I think it is easy to configure the program for it.
If you have a recording you can send to me, then I can check/fix it.

/Martin
I made a couple short Quadrabeam recordings yesterday and will send one along to you if you still need it. PM me with address. Thanks Carl
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on June 14, 2009, 01:14:36 PM
Martin, output format might be any standard track format. I use Oziexplorer track format, but no problem to use another diferent. I have write a program that read original track, apply tide corrections and write another file. I can sent you thistTide rutines.
Another question: when sliding cursor over sonar image, coordenates are the same that waterfall, I think it will easy apply the formula to calculate cursor coordenates. I suppose you know appropiate formula, if not, write me.
Saludos
Fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jolly Roger on June 14, 2009, 02:28:20 PM
Hi Martin,
I think I speak for all of us:
We all hope that you will recover from your operation and get well soon.
I, for my part, really enjoy your HummViewer and really aprecciate the work you did.

Relax and take it easy

Harry
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: sulbig on June 14, 2009, 08:11:55 PM
First of all, get well soon! It's all about work/life balance.

Thank you for sharing your programming talent with the Humminbird user community -- you have created a really cool application that is only going to get better with feedback and time (and Mountain Dew). I'm certain Humminbird has been keeping an eye on this project with great interest. Is this an open source project hosted on the internet (i.e., sourceforge.net)?

I recorded for the first time on my 788ci today, and played it back using HumViewer. Sweet! One thing that didn't seem correct was the depth, though. It was all 10ft shallower than it actually was (i.e., 5ft displayed should have been 15ft)?


PS.  Do you have an application icon, yet? I didn't see one, and think a hummingbird with a magnifying glass or something.   ;D
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Chiboo on June 14, 2009, 10:54:16 PM
Greetings, Martin
I hope (as well as all) for your recover. I wish that your state of health would not deliver further to you and your family of efforts.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: reso on June 15, 2009, 02:21:16 AM
Martin,
I wish you all the best for the coming time, get well soon!
regards
reso
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 15, 2009, 04:17:16 AM
One thing that didn't seem correct was the depth, though. It was all 10ft shallower than it actually was (i.e., 5ft displayed should have been 15ft)?

Be aware that the HumViewer currently only shows depth in metres. So 5m is 15ft. Could that be the reason for the difference ?
The source code is not open source and I dont think it will be. It is easier for me to handle it this way.

To Fran: I changed the position shown at the mouse when I changed the way waypoints are created. So this will be in the next release.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: PT on June 19, 2009, 07:26:34 PM
Humviewer download

Try as I might, I cannot get Humviewer too work. I have just updated to Windows Vista, but when I try to run Humviewer, I receive a message on my computer stating that 'Windows cannot find java' - which I have downloaded.

Excellent forums - since purchasing my 797 last year, I have learnt so much by reading them.

Best regards PT
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 20, 2009, 04:43:18 AM
Hi PT
It definitely sounds like java is not installed correctly on your computer. Just to check, have you rebooted your computer after installing java, if not try that first.

Basically it sound like Vista do not know where to find java, but I don't use Vista myself so I don't know if there is any special precausions to take when installing java. I hope there is someone on the forum with a little more insight in Vista that have an idea what could be wrong.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: kron on June 20, 2009, 06:25:31 AM
Hi Martin. First of all, I must say that you have created a really good viewer.


Would it be difficult to make a setting to correct for a towed fish? so that one can set the position behind the actual position(GPS-reciever).

Best regards.
//Daniel
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 20, 2009, 07:15:33 AM
Would it be difficult to make a setting to correct for a towed fish? so that one can set the position behind the actual position(GPS-reciever).

I will put that on my to-do list.
What setting would be needed ? Distance to GPS-receiver (in e.g. metres) - meaning that the towed fish is that distance behind GPS-receiver ?
What about the depth, is there a need to a depth-correction setting as well ?

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: kron on June 20, 2009, 08:36:45 AM
I will put that on my to-do list.
What setting would be needed ? Distance to GPS-receiver (in e.g. metres) - meaning that the towed fish is that distance behind GPS-receiver ?
What about the depth, is there a need to a depth-correction setting as well ?

/Martin

Yes exactly. It is enough to know how far the fish is from the GPS receiver. This is also good if you have the usual transducer mounted far from the GPS receiver in a boat. I prefer meters but, as you previously been asked to show speed in miles and depth in feet, so perhaps it could go to have a setting for the European standard and American standard which sets the depth and speed to the selected standard!?

I don´t think there is a need for depth-correction. What do you think?

Than once, I must say that you have a really good program.

Thanks!

Daniel
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 21, 2009, 02:25:55 AM
Hi Daniel
It is quite easy to make a depth-correction setting and correct the depth output values, however I cannot (actually will not  :)) try to manipulate the sonar images. I will probably make it, and then people can just set it to 0 if they dont want to use it.

Regarding the position correction, actually the correction for the distance from the gps receiver and a fixed transducer on the boat is quite different than correcting for a tow fish - although the purpose is the same.

Correcting for the distance between the gps receiver and a fixed transducer is very simple, as it is always a fixed distance in the direction of the current bearing.

Correction for the distance to the tow fish is actually more complex. I need to take into account that the tow fish do not following directly behind the boat when changing course. I dont think I can make it 100% correct, e.g. I will not account for the curve that the cable will make because of the water resistance, but I think I can make it fairly accurate.

I dont think this function will be in the next release, but most probably in the one after that.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: kron on June 21, 2009, 03:12:39 AM

Correction for the distance to the tow fish is actually more complex. I need to take into account that the tow fish do not following directly behind the boat when changing course. I dont think I can make it 100% correct, e.g. I will not account for the curve that the cable will make because of the water resistance, but I think I can make it fairly accurate.


Hi Martin. it sounds good. With some trigonometric functions and maybe pythagoras?, it should be easy to calculate an approximate value. ;)

//Daniel
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Blackwaterkatz on June 21, 2009, 04:34:51 AM
I'm really enjoying using the HumViewer software; can someone explain how the Color Model Editor works?  It doesn't fit to my desktop very well, either.  What resolution should I be using?  I think I'm getting the feel for the color palette, but would appreciate any tips.  Thanks
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 21, 2009, 05:54:37 AM
Regarding the resolution, then I have (again) forgot to test it with different resolutions. I am using 1400x1050, so if you can change your resolution to something close to that then it will probably work. I dont know how much you can see of the editor, but if you cannot see the 3-4 buttons under each slider then I definitely understand why you dont know how it works.
I will make a bugfix for it that will be included in the next release, so it will work with resolutions from 1024x768.

I think the best way to learn how to use the Color Model editor is to play around with it. I will suggest that you start by copying one of the existing color model (press copy in the top panel of the editor). And then try to move the sliders up and down and watch what happens with the color bar in the right side of the editor.
Try to add an extra 'step' by pressing one of the 'Add->' or '<-Add' buttons. Change the color of that step by pressing the colored button over the 'Add' buttons, and change the slider.

If it still not clear how to use the color model editor after the next release (where the resolution bug is fixed), then please let me know, and I will try to explain a little more.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Blackwaterkatz on June 21, 2009, 10:09:44 AM
Fair enough, Martin.  Thanks.  I've been playing with it a little, but, as you said, I have trouble seeing all the buttons at the current resolution.  Not a big issue, since the green/blue that is already on there works pretty well for me. 
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on June 22, 2009, 04:19:35 PM
Congatulations, Martin. I am testing version 3.031 and I love it.
Thanks.
Title: *** New release of HumViewer - Release 3.031 ***
Post by: mrj9600 on June 23, 2009, 03:34:37 AM
As arnados have already discovered before I have even announced it  :)
I have released a new version of the HumViewer program.

Installation files and change log can be found can be downloaded from this here (http://humviewer.cm-johansen.dk/).

/Martin

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jolly Roger on June 23, 2009, 08:29:44 AM
Hi all,
just downloaded and tried 3.031. It's getting better and better....
Thanks a ton Martin!
Regards from Lake Constance
Harry
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: diver651 on June 23, 2009, 09:46:03 AM
I too have downloaded and played with the new release. It keeps changng back to the three view with downview and SI with every file I open even though I have saved settings as default. Is it possible something was corrupted during the install? The previous release stayed with the display as set as you opened the next file.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 23, 2009, 12:41:50 PM
I too have downloaded and played with the new release. It keeps changng back to the three view with downview and SI with every file I open even though I have saved settings as default. Is it possible something was corrupted during the install? The previous release stayed with the display as set as you opened the next file.

One of the changes with this version is that a Rnnnnn.xml file is saved for each recording (in the same directory as the Rxxxxx.dat file). The first time you open a recording the program will use the default settings, after that it should use the settings from last time you viewed that recording.
 
But if I understand you correctly you have changed to another layout, selected 'save as default' and after that tried to open a new recording (one that have not been opened in this version before) - and then it still shows the '3 view' layout ?

Please check if you have a file called Template.xml under the config directory. If you don't then try to reinstall. If you have, try to open it and look for a line saying something like: <SonarSplitScreen>3 View</SonarSplitScreen>
The value (e.g. '3 View') tells which default layout to use. It should change if you start the program, change the layout and select 'save as default' under the settings menu.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Hydroman52 on June 23, 2009, 07:49:54 PM
When I load one of my files in HumView 3.031, I get the error "No depth data!".  Of course, no depth is displayed when I play the file.  Everything else seems to work fine.  Does anyone know how this could happen?  I think it displays depth data when I playback on the SONAR unit.  Could I have loaded incorrectly or could I be missing part of a file?

Here is a screen dump of the error


By the way, this is really good software. 

Thanks,
Rick
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 23, 2009, 10:29:02 PM
When I load one of my files in HumView 3.031, I get the error "No depth data!".  Of course, no depth is displayed when I play the file.  Everything else seems to work fine.  Does anyone know how this could happen?  I think it displays depth data when I playback on the SONAR unit.  Could I have loaded incorrectly or could I be missing part of a file?

That is because your recordings is done with an older firmware that do not include depth data in the recording files. I cannot remember exactly when it was changed but I think the last firmware without the depth data in the recording files was 3.940.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: cweb on June 24, 2009, 04:28:05 AM
Hi Martin. Hope your feeling better. My Question is with the Quadrabeam setting. When I try playing back the Quadrabeam recordings there is no option to look at the 455 kHz side beams so all I can see is the 83 and/or 200 kHz beams. Next time out I will make a bunch of short recordings and try it again. If anyone else is using the Quadrabeam transducer I would like to know how there are making out with Humviewer in Quadrabeam mode. Thanks again Carl
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 24, 2009, 05:12:09 AM
Hi Martin. Hope your feeling better. My Question is with the Quadrabeam setting. When I try playing back the Quadrabeam recordings there is no option to look at the 455 kHz side beams so all I can see is the 83 and/or 200 kHz beams. Next time out I will make a bunch of short recordings and try it again. If anyone else is using the Quadrabeam transducer I would like to know how there are making out with Humviewer in Quadrabeam mode. Thanks again Carl

Hi Carl
I am not sure why you dont see the quadrabeam recordings. I used the R00018 recording you sent to me for testing and I worked fine for me.
- Do you get an error dialog like the one I have attached to this post when you try to open the recording ?
- Do you still have the option to view the 'SI Port' and 'SI Star' beams ?

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: cweb on June 24, 2009, 06:03:57 AM
Yes Martin I did get those warnings.
Yes I could see port and starboard in SI mode
I deleated the R00018 recording but That was made from Simulator mode and I'll make another one.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: cweb on June 24, 2009, 09:03:05 AM
Martin, thanks for the work making the addition to humviewer. I have the Quadrabeam display working after a new recording. Do you know witch 455/463 KHz beam is left or right side? 455/462 2, and 3?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: cweb on June 24, 2009, 09:25:37 AM
Martin, thanks for the work making the addition to humviewer. I have the Quadrabeam display working after a new recording. Do you know witch 455/463 KHz beam is left or right side? 455/462 2, and 3?
I think I have the answer to witch is witch. 2D down 3 (462) is right side. 2D down 2 (462) is left side.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: diver651 on June 24, 2009, 09:42:14 AM
One of the changes with this version is that a Rnnnnn.xml file is saved for each recording (in the same directory as the Rxxxxx.dat file). The first time you open a recording the program will use the default settings, after that it should use the settings from last time you viewed that recording.
 
But if I understand you correctly you have changed to another layout, selected 'save as default' and after that tried to open a new recording (one that have not been opened in this version before) - and then it still shows the '3 view' layout ?

Please check if you have a file called Template.xml under the config directory. If you don't then try to reinstall. If you have, try to open it and look for a line saying something like: <SonarSplitScreen>3 View</SonarSplitScreen>
The value (e.g. '3 View') tells which default layout to use. It should change if you start the program, change the layout and select 'save as default' under the settings menu.

/Martin

Martin,

I have checked the template file and it does indicate the defaults as I have set them, and opening a new (unopened in this version) file does work as you indicate it should. Yesterday that was not the case. I guess I should have shut the program down and tried again before asking the question, but the answer helps me know what features you have added.

As we have all said before, thanks for the tremendous results of your efforts!

Regards,
Mike
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Hydroman52 on June 24, 2009, 10:52:47 AM
Quote
When I load one of my files in HumView 3.031, I get the error "No depth data!".  Of course, no depth is displayed when I play the file.  Everything else seems to work fine.  Does anyone know how this could happen?  I think it displays depth data when I playback on the SONAR unit.  Could I have loaded incorrectly or could I be missing part of a file?

Quote
That is because your recordings is done with an older firmware that do not include depth data in the recording files. I cannot remember exactly when it was changed but I think the last firmware without the depth data in the recording files was 3.940.


Martin,

I checked my documentation, and it looks as though the unit was only "upgraded" to 3.720.  Last time I used it was on a job in December 2008 and it has been in storage ever since then.  I'll dig it out, upgrade, test another file, and reply with results as soon as I am able.  Thanks for your help.

Rick
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on June 24, 2009, 02:06:07 PM
¿What exact is HumViewer??  Look this image. Red line was draw over SI image using User Track feature and then imported in Oziexplorer.
¿What do you think about it?
Saludos
Fran[attachment=1]
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 25, 2009, 08:28:03 AM
¿What exact is HumViewer?? 


The short answer to this question is: I don't know :'(

The main reason for my answer is that the position in the recordings are saved in some version of Mercator Meters. However the formula for converting the positions to WGS84 is not the same as e.g. Eagle/Lowrance uses. I found the formula I am using in a thread on the 'old' Humminbird forum where some guys where working on a viewer a few years back. I don't know where they got their formula from and I have not been able to find any documentation for that formula anywhere else. But when I compare the output of that formula with the son2xtf conversion utility I get results that are with 1-2 meters.

The other issue is that I have been forced to estimate the pixel to depth/distance ratio. I believe that I have got it pretty close, but maybe I am off by ~½ metre on longer distances.

So all in all, my guess is that the HumViewer program has an accuracy of up to 2.5 metres.
If you compare that with the accuracy of the different GPS receiver types (look at this thread: http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=229.0 (http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=229.0) ) you will see that the gps receiver itself can be off by 3-10 metres depending on the type. Compared with that I would say that the accuracy of the HumViewer program is acceptable allthough I wished that it could be more accurate.

I would like to add, that I have tried to request the exact formula's directly from Humminbird as I think that it would be in the interest of Humminbird to support the development of a good viewer, but Humminbird do not want to share that information with me.  :-X

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jolly Roger on June 25, 2009, 12:03:57 PM
Hi Fran,
how did you make this record? Did you drive right beside the pier or were you some metres away from it when you made it?
I would say that the GPS is damned accurate!

Saludos
Harry
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on June 25, 2009, 04:15:06 PM
Sorry...I apologize my bad english. Record was made runing about 20 metres from quay. I think Humminbird SI and HumViewer are extremely accurate but when I post  I write a question and that was not my pretention. I hope you can understand me. My pretension is claim that HumViewer is a great program.
Martin, I think the best program for translate Mercator to Geographics was write for a russian hydrographer and posting in xumba.scholleco.com forums.
I have a copy.
Regards.
/Fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 25, 2009, 10:55:54 PM
Sorry...I apologize my bad english. Record was made runing about 20 metres from quay. I think Humminbird SI and HumViewer are extremely accurate but when I post  I write a question and that was not my pretention. I hope you can understand me. My pretension is claim that HumViewer is a great program.
Martin, I think the best program for translate Mercator to Geographics was write for a russian hydrographer and posting in xumba.scholleco.com forums.
I have a copy.
Regards.
/Fran

No problem Fran. I did misunderstand you, but no harm done.
It is that routine written by the russian hydrographer and posted in the xumba.scholleco.com forum that I was referring to.
Does anyone know if there exist any documentation for that conversion routine, either he is a total genius or else he must have found the formula somewhere.  :)

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on June 26, 2009, 09:31:07 AM
Martin, I have some Geodesic books and that formula is exact......but...look this paragraph:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
R = 6378388#
alfa = 1 / 297#
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This values are refer to Hayford Ellipsoide (International) and probably Humminbird files are refer to Clark Ellipsoide (NAD-27) or WGS-84.
If not another suggestion, perhas will be a good idea make a beta version and test diferents Ellipsodes.
Sorry....(my bad english)
Regards
Fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on June 26, 2009, 10:56:17 AM
Martin, I have some Geodesic books and that formula is exact......but...look this paragraph:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
R = 6378388#
alfa = 1 / 297#
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This values are refer to Hayford Ellipsoide (International) and probably Humminbird files are refer to Clark Ellipsoide (NAD-27) or WGS-84.
If not another suggestion, perhas will be a good idea make a beta version and test diferents Ellipsodes.
Sorry....(my bad english)
Regards
Fran


More info......this formula suppos Ecliptic Earth but I don´t know any cartographic program that use Ecliptic formulas. For example, Furuno use formulas for Espheric Earth. Maxsea use metric values. Olex and Wayplaner save in geographic coordenates.

Lowrance use Mercator meters refers as Espheric Earth. This is correct formula for Lowrance:
    function [Lat,Lon] = meters2deg(X, Y)
    Lon = (180/pi()).*(X./6356752.3142);
    Lat = (180/pi()).*(2*atan(exp(Y./6356752.3142))-pi()./2)
As you can see, value 6356752.3142 is Semi-minor axis in WGS84.

¿Do you  understand me?
Regards
Francisco Amado
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jolly Roger on June 27, 2009, 04:02:26 AM
Hi Fran,

this stuff is way over my head and I think that I would not even understand it, if someone would explain this in German. But keep your input coming!

Regards from (rainy) Lake Constance
Harry
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on June 28, 2009, 11:42:54 AM
Hi Fran,

this stuff is way over my head and I think that I would not even understand it, if someone would explain this in German. But keep your input coming!

Regards from (rainy) Lake Constance
Harry

Harry, what do you do not undertand, my english or geodetic formula?
Regards
Fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jolly Roger on June 28, 2009, 02:40:42 PM
Hi Fran,
the formulas, of course  :). This stuff sounds like Chinese to me and I'm glad that I don't have to work with such complicated things.


Best wishes
Harry
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Camalama on June 28, 2009, 02:47:31 PM
Martin

Got a bit of an issue... I downloaded both Java and HumViewer and did a restart. I get 2 windows that pop up on Vista when I try to run the program. The message window states "Windows cannot find 'java'. Make sure you typed the name correctly, and then try again." The other window is a Command window with this in it "Could Not Find C:\[file path]\HumViewer\log\*.log"

There are no files in the \Humviewer\log\ directory. Should there be?

Thanks,

Cameron
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 28, 2009, 03:09:10 PM
Got a bit of an issue... I downloaded both Java and HumViewer and did a restart. I get 2 windows that pop up on Vista when I try to run the program. The message window states "Windows cannot find 'java'. Make sure you typed the name correctly, and then try again." The other window is a Command window with this in it "Could Not Find C:\[file path]\HumViewer\log\*.log"

Hi Camalama
Just to be 100% sure. You wrote that you downloaded Java, you installed into also, right ?
The first problem with windows stating "Windows cannot find 'java'" sounds like java is not installed correctly. A week or two ago another user 'PT' had the same problem, I dont know if he ever solved it. I don't use Vista myself so I don't know if the is any special precautions to take when installing java on a vista.
I hope someone else can help you with that.

The second message "Could Not Find C:\[file path]\HumViewer\log\*.log" is not a problem. It is simple trying to cleanup from the last run of the program. And as you have not succeeded in starting the program yet, there is nothing to cleanup.

Sorry that I cannot help you with the java problem.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Camalama on June 28, 2009, 04:16:58 PM
Thanks Martin,

I am no programer, by any stretch of the imagination. I do know that many other programs have issues with Vista, so that's probably where the problem lies. I can tell you that the install directory for Java is C:\Program Files (x86)\. I don't know why the programs install in the ...(x86) directory, but if you are pointing to the standard directory, I assume this may be part of the issue.

Thanks again,

Cameron
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 28, 2009, 11:52:23 PM
Hi Cameron
I have tried to make it independant of where java is installed by only calling java without a path. But that requires that windows added the path to the java installation directory to its 'search' path.

On a Windows XP or 2000 computer I would open a command prompt (by selecting <Start> - <Run> and typing 'cmd' in the window), or selecting <Start> - <Programs> - <Accessories> - <Command prompt>
I the command prompt I would type 'set PATH' and check in the result that the path to the bin directory of the java installation is in the list (e.g. 'C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin').
I have no idea if it works the same way on Vista.

Is there anyone that is using Vista that have got the HumViewer to run ? It would be nice to know whether this is a general problem or not.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: dybvad417 on June 29, 2009, 01:28:00 AM
Hey Martin

I got Vista, and i got all versions of HumViewer to run on my pc and on my Toshiba Vista notebook.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: cweb on June 29, 2009, 04:51:57 AM
Vista and Humviewer playing well together here.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on June 29, 2009, 05:10:09 AM
That is good to hear.
Did any of you do something special when you installed java (e.g. setup path or install using special user) ?

I hope someone can give Cameron a hint to how he can get java working.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Camalama on June 29, 2009, 06:14:59 AM
I'll keep messing with it. I got it to work fine here at the office, but this is XP. It's definately a Java thing. Thanks for the help. If I figure out where I went wrong, I'll let you know for other that may have the same issue.

Thanks again,

Cameron
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: kosmo on June 29, 2009, 02:10:37 PM
right click on  humviewer command script.select properties.then compatibility.run as windows xp.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: cweb on June 29, 2009, 03:24:35 PM
That is good to hear.
Did any of you do something special when you installed java (e.g. setup path or install using special user) ?

I hope someone can give Cameron a hint to how he can get java working.

/Martin
No I didn't have to  do anything special. But I did make a shortcut to desktop. It has to be a shotcut to run.humviewer and not a copy of run.humviewer.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Camalama on June 29, 2009, 05:34:52 PM
For whatever reason the path for Java was not added to path in the environmental variables. (C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin) Added the path and everything works fine.
- kosmo, I thank you for the information, I didn't get a chance to try it, but I managed to get it working.

Thanks everyone.

[ADDED]
I've now had a chance to play with the software, and all I can say is Thank You. This is great stuff. Some of the waypoints I have created were not correct when checked against Google Earth, but easy enough to figure out, the location shown in the viewer was correct. Any chance of getting an imperial units version?

Cameron
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: fab on July 08, 2009, 08:58:42 PM
Hi Martin,

Thanks for all of your hard work. I hope that your back is doing better. I have one request, if possible. Could you please include a feature that a few of us would really find useful? Would you be able to have the Humviewer have an option to simultaneously collect and record 5 or 7 waypoint locations and depths horizontally across the screen on a user-adjustable period (like every 1 to 5 seconds)? For those of us who would use it, it would be a hugely more efficient way to collect data for a personal bathymetry program. I see that we can individually mark structure and assign waypoints on an one-at-a-time basis. However, I am suspecting that you could implement this feature pretty easily, to do it automatically.

A I making sense? I mean collect position and depth waypoints at periodic intervals across the screen like this...

X      X      X      X      X      X

on a periodic basis, as the video scrolls by. I suppose that you could make the screen spacing dependent upon the depth so the distance between each marker is 3 meters (or some other fixed interval). Thus, for shallow depths, there may only be 3 markers and deeper depths may have 5, 7, or 9 markers, but that may be too complex.

If you could do this, I promise to dance around a huge fire, make burnt offerings to the deity of your choice, and chant your name far into the night     ;)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on July 09, 2009, 01:18:07 AM
Hi Fab
It would not be a problem making the waypoints automatically as you request, but there is one problem.
When you make waypoints from the SI image there is no depth data included, as I dont know the depth on a certain point on the SI image.
To my knowledge there is no way to calculate/estimate the depth on a particular point on the SI image.

I guess that without the depth information you have no use of this function, am I right ?
/Martin

P.S A little request to all. This thread is getter really big, so I think it could be a good idea to reserve this thread for problems/questions about the current version of the program, and then make a new thread (under the HumViewer directory) for requests for new functionalities and other stuff related to the HumViewer program.

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: fab on July 09, 2009, 05:20:19 AM
HI Martin,

Thanks for your reply. I guess that I'm a little bit mixed up because when I go to the Utility menu and click on the screen to mark a waypoint, your program pulls up a small window entitled "Enter name of waypoint". In this small dialogue window, it lists latitude, longitude, and depth. It then instructs the user to create a name for the waypoint. Is the depth information in that window wrong? If it is correct, can't you do it in the same way as it is done using the utility? Thanks. Tom
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: fab on July 09, 2009, 05:27:55 AM
If the depth is accurate (and I assume it's calculated rather than directly measured), then is it possible to create an array of waypoints at regular intervals in time as indicated by the red dots from this screen shot? (If the depth is not reasonable accurate, then never mind.) Thanks for your expertise with this.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on July 09, 2009, 07:02:26 AM
Ups, then I understand why you are confused.
The depth shown in that dialog is a left over from when waypoints was always created directly under the boat (in an earlier version).

The depth shown in that dialog is the depth directly under the boat, not (necessarily) the depth at the point where the waypoint is created. I think I will need to remove that info from the dialog.
Actually the lat/lon shown in that dialog is also the position of the boat, not where the waypoint is actually created.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: dizzyfish on July 09, 2009, 03:55:16 PM
Martin - Firstly, thanks for a great piece of software. I too, had problems installing on Vista - the self extracting exe was not extracting properly. Then did a bit more investiagtion and found that the issue was with IE v8. So switched to Firefox and everything was OK.

Also - another (probably obvious) thing - don't rename the folders in the HB "RECORD" folder (I do this to annoate them with some context eg "R00032 Salcombe Wreck") - Humviewer does not like it !

Are there any plans to mosaic the SI view to GoogleEarth ? - That would be really great !

Thanks again

Ian
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jolly Roger on July 10, 2009, 01:31:05 PM
I think I will need to remove that info from the dialog.
Actually the lat/lon shown in that dialog is also the position of the boat, not where the waypoint is actually created.

/Martin

Martin,

I would leave the depth in the dialog, 'cause it gives important information. One just has to know and keep in mind the fact, that this is the depth underneath the boat at the respective position.

My two cents

Greetings from the south
Harry
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on July 11, 2009, 02:19:46 AM
I would leave the depth in the dialog, 'cause it gives important information. One just has to know and keep in mind the fact, that this is the depth underneath the boat at the respective position.

Then I guess I will just change the text to something like 'Depth (transducer)' and maybe both show the lat/lon at the GPS and where the waypoint is created.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jolly Roger on July 15, 2009, 06:21:37 AM
Perfect Martin!
It really would be too bad to miss this information.
Regards
Harry
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: panman_va on July 16, 2009, 05:48:17 PM
I have been able to modify the file runHumViewer.cmd file to get Java working but all it does is bring up a command window. What is the significance of the HumViewer.Humviewer at the end of the second line. Once I understand that part, I may get HumViewer to work with 64-bit Vista.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on July 17, 2009, 12:14:21 AM
I have been able to modify the file runHumViewer.cmd file to get Java working but all it does is bring up a command window. What is the significance of the HumViewer.Humviewer at the end of the second line. Once I understand that part, I may get HumViewer to work with 64-bit Vista.

That is the name of the class that contains the main class, i.e. the class that java must startup to run the program.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: panman_va on July 17, 2009, 02:59:08 PM
I finally got it. I uninstalled the 32 bit version of Java and installed a version for Vista 64 bit SP2. HumViewer runs fine now.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on August 05, 2009, 09:46:04 AM
Saludos a todos.
Martin, what about new version??
Fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on August 06, 2009, 01:02:17 PM
Hi Fran
I haven't had much time lately to work on the program as I have started working again after my back operation.

I am working on some changes, but I cannot promise when the next version will be released.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: goodwinexplorer on August 07, 2009, 03:57:20 AM
Hi
Any news on the Mosaic software? the humviewer has really given the unit the detail it needs.
Bob
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Mental on August 09, 2009, 04:52:48 AM
Anyone been able to get this running on a Mac?

Cheers, Mental
Title: Nice to see SI recordings on my computer screen!
Post by: JHartikka on August 23, 2009, 01:24:32 PM
23.8.2009

Hi Martin,

I registered just to thank you for a nice SI recording viewer! It is quite what I needed to quickly look through the recordings on my computer screen! It is rather cumbersome work with the Humminbird 797c2 to wait sonar display wade thru hour long recordings... Another especially delightful surprise was to find that your viewer readily translates my 797c2 old Imperial units of feet and miles to metres and m/s - no more need for constant mental arithmetic to translate the 'antique units'!  :)

Having recorded home waters of my friends I have showed them how to use your viewer and they have learned it quite quickly, too, so I guess it is also easy to use!

Just one thing I would like to ask about: When trying to open recordings it somedays says: "... should contain data for 3472 seconds but contains data only for 3457 seconds ... will not be used." It took some time until I probably found the reason for inexact durations of recordings: When I use the cursor to mark locations while the unit is recording, my Humminbird 797c2 stops sounding for a few seconds until I have quit the marking by hitting 'exit'. So the recording will become a few seconds shorter when using the cursor on SI screen. I wonder if there are any tricks I could use to somehow look these 'cursor shortened' recordings, too, with this fluent viewer?  
 

Regards,

- Juha -

Finland


A couple of example pics from my near waters attached:
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Sidescanner on September 02, 2009, 09:25:20 AM
Dear Martin,

Do you have a manual about how to use the Color settings?
I like to be able to make my own colors and that seems possible in your software?

Kind regards,

Henkl
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: pebe on September 08, 2009, 01:57:49 AM
Hello,

if i stop the playing, i can mark a waypoint or more.
Then i play again and stop the second time and want to mark a waypoint.
Then the Waypoint Function and all other utilities wont work.

I close the whole programm and restart it for a scondy try and even after this restart i wasnt able to use the utilities.
Now wait for a little time and start the programm again and it will work.
playing and marking...and the same problem again.

I couldn´t find out what the exat problem was to reproduce the error,
only from Time to time i wasn´t able to use the utilities.

PeBe

[EDIT]
Maybe this happens after i klick with left Mousebutton in/on the Scrollarea or hold the marker with the mousebutton and scroll through the record....
[/EDIT]


[EDIT2]
Yes,
after i entered a new value in the timemark, for axample from 0 hour to 1 hour and then want to use the utilities, it doesnt work.
If i went back to the timecode 00:00:00 and play the file the the utilities will work. until i scroll by hand or by the timecode function.
Maybe this happens only if i goto a position after ONE hour.
No, it will wirk til Timecode 00:56:57, one second later it wont work.
Damned, this behavoiur wasnt seen in another record....
.....so, after testing with a few records, this Problem occurs only in a few files.
I did not realy find out whats the Problem.
The Trackploting works, so the Position Informations should be ok...but all utilities wont work..cant understand...
Upps found out, the copy position to clipboard works til timecode 00:56:58...Missing informations in the recording ?

Found more
00:56:58 Right SI Window lost GPS Info
00:56:59 Left SI Window lost GPS Info
00:57:04 2D Window lost GPS Info
But 2D Trackplot was right until End of the Record.
[/EDIT2]
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on September 09, 2009, 02:49:51 AM
Hi Pebe
Interesting observations you have there  :)

My first guess is that there is something wrong in the recording files, but there is no way I can prove it without seeing the files.
Tonight I will try to check with a large recording I have to see if I can reproduce your observations.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: pebe on September 09, 2009, 05:50:34 AM
I have just send you a mail with the Downloadlink to the Recordingfile i found the Problem.

Let me again say:
I appreciate your fast Reaction about Problems  ;D

PeBe
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on September 15, 2009, 07:53:04 AM
I have just send you a mail with the Downloadlink to the Recordingfile i found the Problem.

Hi PeBe
I got your recording, and I am sad to say that the problem is in the HumViewer program  :'(
The good thing was that the problem is easy to fix, I just need to finish the other changes that I have started before I can release it.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: pebe on September 15, 2009, 01:15:47 PM
Doesnt matter !
Errors are normal and i think we all appreciate your fast react to any request you got from us !
Took all the time you need to develop HV for us  ;D

PeBe
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: kucai on September 28, 2009, 10:03:18 PM
Dear Martin,

I am wondering what are the details included in the CSV files?
My background: currently using a hb 737 to do general hydro survey/mapping, logging nmea data to a notebook. As you can expect, this setup is problematic with all the home-made-wire-connection dangling from gps, sounder and notebook. Not to mention constantly worrying about water spray onto the notebook! Therefore, I am thinking that if I can use 737 SON files from SD card, use hummviewer to extract gps data & depth from csv, that would be very neat. If you can include NMEA HDOP value in csv file, that would be very helpful too so that I can filter out bad readings.
Thanks.



Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on September 30, 2009, 06:56:41 AM
Hi
The fields in the .csv file are:
latitude,longitude,depth,time,speed,heading

I have no idea what 'NMEA HDOP' is, so I cannot tell if it possible to include it in the file.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: pebe on September 30, 2009, 07:43:39 AM
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilution_of_Precision (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilution_of_Precision)
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilution_of_precision_%28GPS%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilution_of_precision_%28GPS%29)

For example it is included in an GGA Sentence like this
Code: [Select]
$GPGGA,191410,4735.5634,N,00739.3538,E,1,04,4.4,351.5,M,48.0,M,,*45
                ^      ^           ^            ^ ^  ^   ^       ^     
                |      |                    |            | |  |   |                |   
                         |      |           |            | |  |   |                Höhe Geoid minus
        |      |           |            | |  |   |       Höhe Ellipsoid              (WGS84)
        |      |           |            | |  |   |                in Metern (48.0,M)
        |      |           |            | |  |   |                 |      |           |            | |  |   Höhe          über Meer (über Geoid)
        |      |           |            | |  |   in              Metern (351.5,M)
        |      |           |            | |  |
        |      |           |            | |  HDOP (horizontal dilution
        |      |           |            | |  of              precision) Genauigkeit
        |      |           |            | |
        |      |           |            | Anzahl              der erfassten Satelliten
        |      |           |            |           
        |      |           |            Qualität              der Messung
        |      |           |            (0              = ungültig)
        |      |           |            (1              = GPS)
        |      |           |            (2              = DGPS)
        |      |           |            (6              = geschätzt nur NMEA-0183 2.3)
        |      |           |           
        |      |           Längengrad
        |      |
        |      Breitengrad           
        |
        Uhrzeit
Sorry, displayed bad, just copy it to your favorite editor an beutify it by yourself.
the 4.4 is the HDOP Value
A Better Explanantion, but in german is here:
http://www.kowoma.de/gps/zusatzerklaerungen/NMEA.htm (http://www.kowoma.de/gps/zusatzerklaerungen/NMEA.htm)
hope it helps
bye
PeBe
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on September 30, 2009, 01:57:40 PM
Okay, so HDOP is basically a number telling how 'reliable' the GPS reading is.
I dont think that is saved in the recording files.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: kucai on October 01, 2009, 02:42:48 AM

Thanks for the clarification Martin. Perhaps HB engineers would consider the ability to save the NMEA output to flashcard in their future software update. Wouldn't be too difficult i think.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Humminbird_Greg on October 01, 2009, 07:50:18 AM
Good idea.
Add it to the Humminbird Wish List on this web site.

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: wizzo86 on October 12, 2009, 06:08:17 AM
sounds like you need to google java and down load it to your puter...
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: wizzo86 on October 12, 2009, 12:16:25 PM
then it sounds like your puter is trying to open the program with another viewer. Try to right click humviewer and in the drop down there should be an open with option. Try that. I'm no teckie though, just a suggestion....
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bob3738 on October 12, 2009, 12:34:14 PM
When I double click runHumViewer.cmd I get The DOS Box C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe and
in the box "The system cannot find the file specified. Then in the Pop UP Box " Windows cannot find "java".  Make sure you typed the name correctly, and try again.

The program never shows up.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on October 13, 2009, 11:58:01 AM
Hi Bob
There have been others that have had problems getting the program to run under Vista, but they have managed to get it running. I dont have Vista myself and it is quite different from XP, so it is a little difficult for me to help.

Try to take a look at reply #112 and the replies after that, maybe that can give you some ideas to how to get it working.
I hope you will get it to work.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bob3738 on October 13, 2009, 01:43:51 PM
Hi Martin,

I loaded the program on my XP desktop system and the program works fine.  It's hard to carry the desktop on the boat 15' Bass Cat.  Will keep trying to get it to run on Vista and will try it on Windows 7 also.

Thanks for you help

Bob
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: kosmo on October 13, 2009, 04:42:30 PM
in humviewer folder. right click  humviewer windows comand script.select compatability mode.check box.run this program in compatibility mode for:use drop down box .select windows xp (service pack 2) at the right bottom of window select apply.go back to  humviewer windows comand script.double click.program should run. good luck
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bob3738 on October 13, 2009, 06:46:21 PM
Hi kosmo,

Tried you suggestion. Removed all versions of HumViewer. Rebooted computer. Downloaded Java, Downloaded HumViewer 3.031, extracted to C:\Desktop\WinViewer 3031.  Set runHumViewer.cmd to operate of XP service pack 2.  Double clicked runHumViewer.cmd and same thing I have been getting for days. The Program will not run on Vista.  I have it running on my desktop with XP and Windows 7, both OS work good.  Will keep trying to get it to run on Vista.

Thank You for your Suggestion.

Bob
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: kosmo on October 15, 2009, 04:43:34 AM
try running as  administrator. right click windows command script.runas
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: loeti on November 18, 2009, 02:14:49 AM
Hi Martin,

I can only agree to all the posters before me - you do a very great job!!!

I have to thank you for some catches in a new water a few weeks ago. Without your software the humminbird si sonar would only be half so nice.

Also the feature to export the depth data into a .csv file is very nice - so i can import it into the drdepth software directly. But for this feature i have a question:

Is it possible to adjust the amount of data outputs into the .csv file per second? I can not find something about this (settings, cfg). The reason is to get more accuracy on higher boat speeds.

/Wolfgang

(excuse my bad english)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on November 18, 2009, 12:27:27 PM
Is it possible to adjust the amount of data outputs into the .csv file per second? I can not find something about this (settings, cfg). The reason is to get more accuracy on higher boat speeds.

Hi Wolfgang
Right now there is no option to set the data output interval, but I will put it on my to-do list.

I am hoping that now when we are getting into the cold and dark period, that I will get some time to finish the next release. But no promises...

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: crankbaitcorner_1 on December 24, 2009, 02:38:30 PM
Hi,

I must say I'm impressed with the Humviewer software.  I've only just started using it (version 3.x) and it shows me much more than I can see on my 997.  I have a few questions....
I'm trying to keep my other Lowrance unit updated with the waypoints I'm marking in Humviewer.  so I'm trying to export to CSV files (as suggested in the release notes) but I've been unsuccessful in finding this capability.  Under export, I see the options to save for Google Maps and .GPX, but not CSV.  Can someone give me guidance? 
I'm using excel to format the CSV waypoints for the Lowrance and then loading them into Lowrance's MapCreate 6.  From there, I can load them to my X-19.  Can someone suggest a better way to achive moving waypoints from Humviewer to my lowrance? 
Once again, Humviewer is an excellent tool.  Thanks for providing it.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: arnados on December 30, 2009, 05:27:58 PM
Under export, on the window "What to include in export" You can see 3 checkbox. Mark ONLY "recording track"
and then you will see option to export to CSV.
Regards
Fran
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: pmburesh on January 16, 2010, 12:32:21 PM
Martin
Downloaded Humviewer into a separate folder and extracted same, clicked on the cmd line and I get an error message "Java not loaded" Unloaded Java and reinstalled latest version, same problem. the cmd line reads C:\Humviewer\log\*.log. not sure what this cmd line points to. There no files in the log folder. Any help with this issue would be greatly appreciated. ps running Win Vista 64bit
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Outek on January 23, 2010, 08:04:41 AM
Hi guys

 I guess this "Windows cannot find "java""-Problem can be solved with adding the directory to the path variable.. i added "C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin"

i think its a 64bit problem..

Greetings

edit: Sorry here is the workaround saw it to late : http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=597.0 (http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=597.0)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Basilosaurus on February 19, 2010, 06:40:16 PM
When I try to run it says cannot create the java virtual machine. What should I do?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on February 19, 2010, 09:42:31 PM
When I try to run it says cannot create the java virtual machine. What should I do?

You will need to give more details.
- What Operating system are you using ?
- Did you install with the option 'bundled with java' ?

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Basilosaurus on February 20, 2010, 05:19:47 AM
Sorry, I have xp. I have the newest java installed. I tried deleting the old java and reinstalling it. didn't work. Tried deleting the old viewer and reinstalling with the java version , didn't work Ran a registry cleaner and did all of the above again, didn't work . I'm stumped. Really need to use this viewer. ;D
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Basilosaurus on February 21, 2010, 09:21:23 AM
Thanks for all the replies ;D Figured it out, had to increase the memory size of java
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Barry on February 22, 2010, 12:29:46 PM
Have an issue with the new software. I have some recordings that I had save to a CD that when I attempt to open them up my computer locks up and have to do a hard shut down and restart computer. These are recordings that were made on 797c2 back in 2007 so may be an issue of the older version of recording. I do not have any current recordings as I had an external hard drive crahs and lost most of my data.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on February 22, 2010, 12:57:07 PM
Do you open the .dat file directly from the CD ?
If so try to copy the recordings to your harddisk first. HumViewer will make a .xml file in the same directory as the .dat file and if the recordings are on a CD, this will fail.

If it locks up when you opens if from the harddisk I am interested in receiving one of the recordings.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Llunker on February 24, 2010, 02:38:31 PM
Unable to use Test File?  When trying to open the .exe binary file i get a error that it can't run 16bit windows or something to that nature?

Using Windows XP  SP 3
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: slowhandstl on March 10, 2010, 11:00:52 AM
I downloaded Humviewer to my Windows XL computer.  The viewer opens fine, but when I downloaded the sample file, I couldn't find it in the Open window.  It was on my desktop.  I double clicked on it to extract it, and I can't find the resulting file.  Deleted all that from my desktop, and downloaded again to My Documents, same thing, can't find the file to open.  I searched for *.DAT and *.XML, but didn't find anything that looked right that worked.

What does the file look like after it is extracted?

Thanks,

Slowhandstl
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: slowhandstl on March 10, 2010, 11:05:16 AM
Correction Windows XP ver 5.1 serpac3
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: slowhandstl on March 10, 2010, 11:52:47 AM
I figured it out with the help of the step by step on another part of this forum.

I downloaded the sample to a file I created in Humviewer called record.  Then I opened it in that file which made an R0001.DAT file. 

Then I opened Humviewer, and clicked File open then selected my computer, then C:\, then program files, then Humviewer, clicked on humviewer, then on record, then on the R0001.DAT file which opened the sample.

Thanks for your software, and this forum.

Slowhandstl
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: majflyboy on April 17, 2010, 06:04:58 PM
Trying to run humviewer and getting an error message that the "run files are corrupted.  Get a new copy of the file."  Am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: sonar2000 on April 18, 2010, 11:42:17 AM
Probably not doing anything wrong.   
File transfer sometimes corrupts a file,  for any number of reasons. 
Delete the corrrupted file and reload. 
Chuck
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: chris8a on April 22, 2010, 07:25:00 PM
Hi Martin, thanks very much for the program. It is a fantastic tool for reviewing scans when  i get home! I have found things that I did't see on the small screen on the boat!

Just wondering if it would be possile to change the "Crop From"  feature to be a enterable number in addition to the pick list.
The reason is so that I can remove the water column from  the picture when viewing - say 23 metres of water. Currently i have to choose either 20 or 25 metres from the pick list.

Keep up the great work!!
Thanks & regards,
Chris.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on April 23, 2010, 04:32:33 AM
Hi Chris
I will look into it, but as always I cannot promise anything.

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: jseasor on May 04, 2010, 06:24:03 AM
when installing the program, i click on run, it then says the file name and something like win32 cannot support the application? im lost...

when i click on run on the install it comes up and says that the file is not a valid win32 application? Im running windows vista
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: goodwinexplorer on July 14, 2010, 05:27:18 AM
hi martin
i have been using humviewer for a year a great program, however i have a problem at the moment when it trys to run it comes up with can not run Java virtual machine, have looked on java web site and reduced size to 904 MB still the same any suggestions
bob
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: sonar2000 on July 14, 2010, 05:34:27 AM
http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=1495.msg8011#msg8011 (http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=1495.msg8011#msg8011)

See posting in the above file. It states the same problem. 

Chuck
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Fishton on December 29, 2010, 09:26:21 AM
The accuracy of the 'Create Waypoint' utility is out by roughly 14ft to south and 6ft to west.  How can I correct this?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jolly Roger on December 29, 2010, 11:30:32 AM
Make sure you're using the right format for your waypoints.

DD'DDDDD  is what I use in all applications like Google Earth, HummViewer and on the unit.

Maybe you have different settings there.

Hope this helps and good luck

Harry
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Fishton on December 29, 2010, 05:12:14 PM
Make sure you're using the right format for your waypoints.

DD'DDDDD  is what I use in all applications like Google Earth, HummViewer and on the unit.

Maybe you have different settings there.

Hope this helps and good luck

Harry

Nope, unfortunately not. :-(

It is definitely a program issue. 

1. Play your recording back on your HB and take a waypoint of an object then export the navigation data to SD card. 
2. Open with HBPC and view in Google Earth.
3. Play recording on Humviewer and create waypoint of the same object then export to Google format.
4. Go back to GE and open the file you just created with HViewer.
5. Use the measuring tool to measure difference between the two waypoints now displayed.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bobn on December 29, 2010, 06:38:17 PM
I think humviewer uses slant range correction  and  humminbird  doesn't.  That  could be a factor depending on the distance from the track and water depth. 
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Fishton on December 29, 2010, 07:02:09 PM
I think humviewer uses slant range correction  and  humminbird  doesn't.  That  could be a factor depending on the distance from the track and water depth.

My HB 1197cxSI is very accurate when taking waypoints off Side Imaging using the cursor and 'MARK'.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bobn on December 30, 2010, 07:46:31 AM
John , it would be interesting to add a drdepth sidescan mosaic waypoint into your comparison. 
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: sonar2000 on December 30, 2010, 08:03:22 AM
Make sure the GPS "datum" being used by each program is the same.  For example in the USA we use  WGS-84 or NADS-27 although there are several others.  If the datums are not the same then the actual spot (GPS coordinates) will  be different .
Chuck
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Fishton on January 01, 2011, 05:48:28 AM
Make sure the GPS "datum" being used by each program is the same.  For example in the USA we use  WGS-84 or NADS-27 although there are several others.  If the datums are not the same then the actual spot (GPS coordinates) will  be different .
Chuck

WGS-84 datum used and common in all programs.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Fishton on January 01, 2011, 05:51:40 AM
John , it would be interesting to add a drdepth sidescan mosaic waypoint into your comparison.

DrDepth Mosaic and the on-board 'Mark' waypoint very close.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: sonar2000 on January 01, 2011, 03:31:49 PM
Yes WGS-84 is more common, but it is a customize selection. Depending on the printed map you may be referencing and the GPS unit you are using there will be differences in the readings. Since the datum is selectable some change to another datum that in previous application they are familiar with.
All I am saying here is that when positions dont match just remember to check the datum selection as one of the possibilities..
Chuck
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bobn on January 01, 2011, 04:23:33 PM
I took waypoints of several objects from a humminbird recording played back on a 997 ,  that same recording viewed in humviewer  and also a drdepth sidescan mosaic.  The  .GPX  files were opened in global mapper .  I can't use google earth since the aerial photo stitching in my area is poorly done and  causes problems.  Humviewer and drdepth waypoints  were 2 - 2.7  ft. apart.  Humminbird waypoints  4 -5 ft. from center point  of humviewer and drdepth waypoints , easier to put an  accurate waypoint on a 24 inch computer screen than a 997 screen.  Also looked closely at the lat /long readings from humviewer waypoints.  With my equipment and in this area the humviewer waypoint creator works fine. 
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Fishton on January 01, 2011, 09:44:58 PM
The waypoints between DrDepth & my 1197 vary slightly from waypoint to waypoint, but the Humviewer waypoints are all the distance out.
(http://www.fishtec.co.za/humviewer%20accuracy.jpg)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jolly Roger on January 02, 2011, 05:55:37 AM
Hm,

what is it you're marking there Fishton?
If it is a big object like a wreck, I think 15 feet difference might be caused by placing the cursor when creating the waypoint.

Keep us posted

Harry
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bobn on January 02, 2011, 07:01:03 AM
So the shift in length and direction of humviewer waypoints is consistent across all of your recordings ? 
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bobn on January 02, 2011, 08:34:44 AM
The last thing I can think of is to check settings/ transducer settings in the humviewer menu. 
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Fishton on January 02, 2011, 09:07:13 AM
Hm,

what is it you're marking there Fishton?
If it is a big object like a wreck, I think 15 feet difference might be caused by placing the cursor when creating the waypoint.

Keep us posted

Harry

The majority of my waypoints are in relatively shallow water and are of rocks, timber and nests.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Fishton on January 02, 2011, 09:07:57 AM
So the shift in length and direction of humviewer waypoints is consistent across all of your recordings ?

Yes they are.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: jamesunique on March 15, 2011, 08:38:45 PM
Hi Martin, this looks like a great piece of software and something that Humminbird should really include with their sounders.
I have just bought a Humminbird 898c SI which I intend to use for low budget seabed surveys from which I will produce free charts for yachtsmen entering the River Deben and River Ore in the United Kingdom. These charts are made up from tidally corrected depth and lat/long data however the ability to create waypoints with depths from sidescan images will be a massive time saver, particularly for shoal areas which I cannot reach without risk of grounding. This is where my question comes in. Although you can export track data as a csv file, I can't seem to find the exported waypoint data, hopefully including the depth at that waypoint. Is there a waypoint export feature I'm missing or are waypoints not exportable as or within a csv ?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: jamesunique on March 26, 2011, 05:02:32 AM
Hi there,

Im running Windows 7 64bit with HumViewer and have been trying to 'Make a sub recording between marks'

Once actioned, and when the sub recording is re-opened, I'm getting an error:

This is not a valid Humminbird Sonar recording file
File F:\xxx\xxx\xxx\cropped-sidescan.DAT do not seem to be a valid 64-byte dat file

Anyone else have this problem ?

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: RGecy on March 26, 2011, 07:31:18 PM
Looks like you changed the name of the .DAT file.  Also if you have manipulated it with some other software it may not work with HumViewer.   Do you have the original R00*** files?

Robert
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: sonar2000 on March 27, 2011, 07:31:36 AM
Robert is right. 
The record file for HB is R000XXX.dat and that points to the recorded files in the record which are B00 thru B03 and have two file types.  1).IDX and 2).SON.
As Robert pointed out changing any of these will not let Humviewer work...
Chuck
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: jamesunique on March 27, 2011, 06:48:24 PM
I'm afraid I'm using a clean source file, copied straight from the Humminbird. No problems viewing the source file but when checking the 'open sub recording' option, this error is thrown up ie It's telling me the file it created is corrupt.

Using the dialog, if I try to save with a new filename such as croppedsidescan.dat I get this problem, also if I copy the source files into a new directory, try to save the cropped file over the fop of the copied source file, the file does not get overwritten properly. When I open the 're-written' cropped file, the full gps track remains, the left hand side scan image is frozen and I can scroll the right hand sidescan image.

If I try to open the corrupted sidescan file in something like DrDepth, only the port beam renders, but on the starboard side.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: RGecy on March 27, 2011, 09:11:50 PM
Yes, its a little flaw in the program in the way the sub recording is writing the HB format.  Wish I could help more than that.  Maybe Martin can work it out for us.

Robert
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: jamesunique on March 27, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
Thanks for confirming that - you can only try things so many times before you need to start sidescanning for PC's thrown in the river with fraustration ! :)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Gerryk on March 28, 2011, 04:27:25 PM
I tried to click view in google earth and nothing happens. Did I forget a step or what?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Enufzed on March 28, 2011, 07:53:04 PM
update to the latest Google Earth version and make sure you have the latest Humviewer version a well
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: JBell on April 21, 2011, 07:25:52 AM
Hi Everybody,

I just got my new 898 cSI, and am looking forward to using it to scan some shipwrecks in lower Lake Michigan as soon as the weather and my schedule let me.  In the meantime I've been learning to use it, along with the Humviewer software.  Humviewer looks great, and I am looking forward to using it with some real data, but I do have one feature request:

I plan to scan some shipwreck sites that are too big to fit on a single screen, and I want to capture jpeg images from the scans.  I could do a series of screen snapshots and then merge them together in Photoshop, but it would be much nicer if I could just capture a large jpeg image to begin with.  So my feature request is this:

I would like to be able to specify a start time, end time, cropping ( e.g. 10m to 30 m ), and view ( e.g. SI starbord only ), and generate a single jpeg file that would capture that part of the sonar data as a single view.  Ideally it should make use of the selected color scheme and brightness/contrast settings, but those can always be adjusted in Photoshop.  I don't particularly need the data around the edges, but some people might want that, so perhaps that could be a checkbox option, or else I can just crop it if needed.

Thanks, and thanks also for making a great program,

John
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: jamesunique on April 21, 2011, 08:21:33 AM
Hi John, what you are looking for is software that creates a 'sidescan mosaic'.

There are two software packages which will do sidescan mosaicing at a low price:

Dr Depth
Deepview Publisher

Both packages do a good job however Dr Depth has the edge once you understand how it works. The particularly useful mosaicing feature dr. depth offers is the dynamic gain increase from centre of scan to the outer edge - this effectively lightens the edges to create a more consistent or flat image and picks out detail that you might otherwise have missed at the edge of your passes. Deepview initially gave me better results out of the box until I understood what Dr.Depth required by the way of set-up.

One thing is for sure, you'll never get a clean alignment of sidescans in photoshop unless your passes are 100% straight with no weather to speak of as tiny changes in your course and speed are massively exaggerated in the scan image. Mosaicing software does all the compensation for you. It can also remove the water column (the area in the middle of your sidescan image)

I would suggest trying to minimise the overlap in sidescan passes as the overlaps are blended or overwritten with new data making the image 'fuzzy' in the overlaps.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: SonarTRX on April 21, 2011, 11:08:25 AM
Hi John,

There are more than two software that can create geo-referenced images from your sonar recordings: SonarTRX-SI can do this at an even lower cost than Dr.Depth and the other mentioned by jamesunique.

The latest version of SonarTRX (10.5) can also crop the image tiles at a certain sonar-range to improve how they overlay or display in Google Earth, when you have multiple passes over an area. You can also import the SonarTRX images into Global Mapper, ESRI, Manifold GIS or other 3D visualization / GIS / Mapping programs.

The quality of any multi-pass sidescan mosaic created with Dr.Depth or other software is often poor in the overlap regions, because from a small boat, without attitude information or high-accuracy GPS, you simply do not know where the transducer was (GPS inaccuracies), or what the transducer attitude was (heading, roll and pitch) Consequently, the mosaics are at best multiple "strips" of imagery, overlaid, and/or blended into a "blur" in the overlap regions. Trying then to interpret what you see in these reqions is often a waste of time, unless you are just looking for broad-stroke "regions" (i.e. hard bottom, soft bottom, rough bottom etc.)

If you are looking for bottom targets such as wrecks or particular objects, not bottom "regions" you may want to evaluate each pass separately, at the highest suitable resolution. SonarTRX was designed for this purpose, and you can generate imagery of exactly the areas of interest, nothing more, nothing less.

Best Regards,
Tore

SonarTRX

www.sonartrx.com (http://www.sonartrx.com)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: JBell on April 21, 2011, 11:46:01 AM
James, Tore:

Thanks for the prompt replies.  I actually hadn't thought as far ahead as mosaicing multiple passes, although now that you mention it, I will probably want to do that too.  My immediate wish was just to combine multiple "screen shots" from a single pass, since one of the first wreck sites I want to scan is around 400 feet long.

I will look into both of those programs as soon as I get a chance.  ( And once I get some actual data to mosaic. )

Thanks,

John
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: jamesunique on April 21, 2011, 01:32:32 PM
Hi John,

There are more than two software that can create geo-referenced images from your sonar recordings: SonarTRX-SI can do this at an even lower cost than Dr.Depth and the other mentioned by jamesunique.

The latest version of SonarTRX (10.5) can also crop the image tiles at a certain sonar-range to improve how they overlay or display in Google Earth, when you have multiple passes over an area. You can also import the SonarTRX images into Global Mapper, ESRI, Manifold GIS or other 3D visualization / GIS / Mapping programs.

The quality of any multi-pass sidescan mosaic created with Dr.Depth or other software is often poor in the overlap regions, because from a small boat, without attitude information or high-accuracy GPS, you simply do not know where the transducer was (GPS inaccuracies), or what the transducer attitude was (heading, roll and pitch) Consequently, the mosaics are at best multiple "strips" of imagery, overlaid, and/or blended into a "blur" in the overlap regions. Trying then to interpret what you see in these reqions is often a waste of time, unless you are just looking for broad-stroke "regions" (i.e. hard bottom, soft bottom, rough bottom etc.)

If you are looking for bottom targets such as wrecks or particular objects, not bottom "regions" you may want to evaluate each pass separately, at the highest suitable resolution. SonarTRX was designed for this purpose, and you can generate imagery of exactly the areas of interest, nothing more, nothing less.

Best Regards,
Tore

SonarTRX

[url=http://www.sonartrx.com]www.sonartrx.com[/url] ([url]http://www.sonartrx.com[/url])


Can your software render the sidescan mosaic as an image file rather than having to take screen grabs etc from google earth ?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: SonarTRX on April 21, 2011, 07:20:29 PM
Quote
Can your software render the sidescan mosaic as an image file rather than having to take screen grabs etc from google earth ?


Yes, in SonarTRX, you have the option to generate georeferencing files for all images created by the program. Various formats are supported, including world files and prj files, ESRI Aux.xml files, Manifold GIS coordinate system files (xml) etc.

The image tiles can then be imported into 3'rd party programs (Global Mapper, Manifold GIS, ESRI etc.) for mapping and visualization).

Tore
SonarTRX
www.sonartrx.com (http://www.sonartrx.com)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: pebe on April 24, 2011, 12:32:51 AM
Let me ask some Questions please:

Is there a Demo Version available ?
To see how it works wirh my own data ?

And why do i have Shipping Costs to Germany if is only a download Software .... ?

Also, what means 1 Year Programm.... ?
Do i need to buy a new Software to get new Software-Versions after that one Year ?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: jamesunique on April 24, 2011, 02:53:21 AM
I'm sure Tore will get back to you with the 'official' answer but I've just bought the software as it was cheap enough to evaluate.

The shipping cost is for a dongle key that's sent in the post - a temporary/trial registration key is provided via email.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: SonarTRX on April 24, 2011, 06:23:10 AM
Regarding SonarTRX-SI:

Quote
Let me ask some Questions please:

Is there a Demo Version available ?
To see how it works wirh my own data ?

And why do i have Shipping Costs to Germany if is only a download Software .... ?

Also, what means 1 Year Programm.... ?
Do i need to buy a new Software to get new Software-Versions after that one Year ?


Hi pebe,

- When you buy a license for SonarTRX / SonarTRX-SI, it does not expire after a year.

- During the first 12 months, you get free updates to the latest version. You can get updates by sending an email to support@sonartrx.com, and you will receive a download-link for the latest version.

- When you place an order, there is a "shipping and handling" charge. As of April 2011, the charge is $10.0 and includes preparing and shipping the USB license key to anywhere in the world by U.S. Air Mail

I hope this helps.

Please send me an email if you have more questions, or would like to request a demo.

Best Regards,
Tore

Tore@SonarTRX.com
www.SonarTRX.com (http://www.SonarTRX.com)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: pebe on May 01, 2011, 11:38:32 PM
Hello,

thx for the Answers.

That means if i want to get Updates after that period of one Year,
i have to buy the Software again ?

Another Questions was:
How does the Software handles the following:
If the HB Unit records SI for example, 30 Meters Width an driving the same Location more than once,
also overlapping the Aerea an the shore was nearer than the Scan width.
So for example we have the shore in 10 Meters and the rest of 20 Meters was black.
Does your Software eliminates the 20Meters Black, to prevent from overwriting already drawn Data ?

Hmmmm Maybe a demo Version was helpful to find out the Answers also for al of my Other Questions :-)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: SonarTRX on May 02, 2011, 03:07:28 PM
Hi Pebe,

Here is a sample image illustrating the SonarTRX range-cropping feature:
(http://www.sonartrx.com/Documents/Images/CroppingOfRange_595x415.png)

Our discussion is moving off-topic, and this thread is getting very long, so I posted a complete reply to your questions on a new thread:

http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=2509.msg13753;topicseen#new (http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=2509.msg13753;topicseen#new)


Best Regards,

Tore

tore@sonartrx.com
http://www.sonartrx.com (http://www.sonartrx.com)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bobxxx on May 03, 2011, 02:58:40 PM
Hi guys,I downloaded the humviewer and the java ,installed the humviewer.but what do I have to do to get the .son file to humviewer?
in advance thanks
Bob
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: sonar2000 on May 03, 2011, 03:02:38 PM
Record your scan on your unit. remove the SD card and put in your computer.  Open humviewer and when prompted: enter the address of the record. this will be the drive associated with the sd card.

Humviewer will ask for the file name and you will put in the R000XX.dat name of the run you wish to see.

Check this link on the forum and see if it helps...
http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=937.msg4806#msg4806 (http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=937.msg4806#msg4806) 

Chuck
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: ruiner on May 04, 2011, 05:49:05 PM
Hi Martin,

I find HumViewer an exelent and easy to use software. Any change getting Mac OS X or Linux version of this software? Since it is made with Java, that should be a really simple thing to do and would be appreciated by many.

Also a good idea might be to publish it is as Open Source Software under some good license. I think there are many potential developers in this forum, who might make a good contribution to the software. Selecting an appropriate license wouldn't make it impossible for you to take commercial advantage of the software if that is the reason why you wouldn't want to make it open source.

Cheers,
              Kari Kolehmainen
 
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: blake711 on May 17, 2011, 01:24:25 PM
Hi  Martin,
     I have a HB 597 DI a dedicated Down Imaging unit.  It looks like your software does work with it.  I have to use the quadrabeam mode and it will show it.  I was wondering do you know if this is the best settings for it?  If it would be beneficial I could provide you some recordings if you wanted to look at them and possibly make an view option for dedicated DI units only.  Anyway thanks for your work as the yellowfin product only shows an SI output.


EDIT-  Ok after playing with this I finally realized I could right click on the output window and then got the option to select my view.   I choose DI 455 and it does give me a valid output.  I was using a large file at first and it would have to recompile each time.   Looks like I actually have ot make sure its on the SI mode and then select my view as DI.  If can assist in any way with data files let me know.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: fox_hunter on May 25, 2011, 10:09:18 AM
Hi !!! I'm italian .. and my englisch isn't perfect ...
However.. many many thanks to Humviewer software maker !!
To good ! A lot of tool ! Rich end simple to use !!

Many many thanks againg !!
For me, is the best software on Si that i try !!!

Great !
Riccardo
Title: previous version 3.031 HumViewer
Post by: arnados on January 19, 2012, 07:40:29 AM
Can anyone send me HumViewer version 3.031 ???
Thanks
Fran
famadocastro@gmail.com
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: oce_uri on February 22, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
Hi Martin,

I am looking to find information regarding the file format of the .dat and .son files outputted by the Humminbird.  I have converted the .son files to .xtf files using the converter provided by Humminbird in order to try and reverse engineer the .son file structure but am having problems completely describing the entire file.  How did you obtain the file format in order to construct your HumViewer and/or would you be willing to share it with me?

I am an Ocean Engineering student at the University of Rhode Island and am trying to implement a Humminbird 898c onto an autonomous vessel in order to conduct sonar surveys of our local bay and ultimately construct sonar mosaics.  I have tried contacting an engineer at Humminbird to request their file format but he directed me to Chesapeake Tech, a sonar mosaicing company and I am not entirely sure they would provide me with it.  Through your HumViewer I have been able to derive some of the unknown fields, but I do have a question regarding your conversion of lat/lon.  I saw mention of units in Mercator meters in this forum, but I am not quite sure what the conversion relation for that is.  I simply used wikipedia and an equation I found there involving arctangent and hyperbolic sine functions however I am off by about 4 deg (45 deg where I should be getting 41) for my latitude. 

Any and all help you could give me would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

Ashley Hutchins
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: dralston on April 09, 2012, 08:23:55 PM
hi,

Perhaps I've missed this, but is there any way to export the echo intensity profiles from the downward looking sonar?  I am able to view the files (from a 998c SI) in HumViewer, and I can save the screen grabs as images (*.png, *.jpeg), but ideally I would like to be able to save the backscatter intensity in a format. readable by other programs for further analysis.  If there are suggestions for other software that would be better for this, I'd be happy to hear them.

thanks.
Title: Sub-recording issue again
Post by: SpineyNole on May 28, 2012, 05:22:57 PM
Martin,

Any luck with the sub-recording issue yet? Sure would like to see that function work in HumViewer. Went to your web-site, it sent me here to report HumViewer problems.

Thanks for you help. I really enjoy using your application...

Keith
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jdeee on April 14, 2013, 06:55:58 PM
Humviewer for Mac problem

I was able to install the program no problem but it won't open .dat files that I open on HV on pc?
Any suggestions or does anyone have a small .dat file I can download to try
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: PaulB on April 15, 2013, 12:47:01 AM
Are you trying to open the files from a network location by any chance?  I was using HumViewer for Mac for the first time yesterday and found that it just wouldn't load any of my files stored on a NAS drive (where I store them for the PC version).  Copied everything to the Macs hard drive and it worked fine.

Paul
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on April 15, 2013, 05:14:10 AM
Are you trying to open the files from a network location by any chance?  I was using HumViewer for Mac for the first time yesterday and found that it just wouldn't load any of my files stored on a NAS drive (where I store them for the PC version).  Copied everything to the Macs hard drive and it worked fine.

Paul

Hi Paul
Very good observation. I will test that one of the following days and release a bug fix version if that is the case (and if I can solve it :-))

/Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jdeee on April 15, 2013, 05:58:25 AM
Paul

 No all the files are copied to the MAC Drive.
It says "This is not a valid hummingbird sonar recording file Could not find any .SON files for R00001"

I don't know if the files have been corrupted or what is wrong but I copied the files directly off my SD card (which works perfectly on XP machine) onto a USB Key and then copied them to the Mac HD?

If you have a short recording I would like to try that to see if its my files or the program

Thanks
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: PaulB on April 15, 2013, 06:41:01 AM
Here's a link to the smallest recording I have (3MB download) :-

http://www.manxseafishing.com/R00105.zip (http://www.manxseafishing.com/R00105.zip)

This works fine all my older version of HumViewer that I use on PC and the latest release on Mac.

Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: PaulB on April 15, 2013, 06:45:26 AM
Hi Paul
Very good observation. I will test that one of the following days and release a bug fix version if that is the case (and if I can solve it :-))

/Martin

Hi Martin,

It was incredibly slow, taking 15-20 minutes for each section of the sonar data and even taking more than 5 minutes just to do the GPS plot after which it would just freeze the program completely.  The same recording copied locally would open in 5-10 seconds.  Very fast wired network which opens in less than a minute on the PC version as well :)

Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jdeee on April 15, 2013, 06:58:16 AM
Thanks Paul

 Your file works? I guess it's my files. Maybe it's the fact that it was recorded on an older version of software ? Strange !!!! At least Humviewer works great on Mac

Thanks again Paul and great work MrJ for porting it over to the DARKSIDE LOL
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jolly Roger on April 22, 2013, 01:48:28 PM
Hi guys,
I downloaded the latest version of Humviewer and cannot start it, because a windows shows up stating "could not create the Java virtual machine. Has anyone a solution how I can get the problem solved?

Thanks in advance and best regards / Harry
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Rüdiger on April 23, 2013, 12:06:58 AM
Hi Harry

If not already done, uninstall Java and then install the latest version  for your Windows from the network.
Sometimes it helps. :-\

mvh
Rüdiger
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Jolly Roger on April 24, 2013, 11:26:35 AM
Thanks 4 advice Rüdiger,
but it didn't help.
I uninstalled Hummviewer and Java, restarted the computer, downloaded the latest version of Java and Hummviewer. I tried both versions, the program only and the bundle version. It just don't work.

Regards/Harry
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: promapper on May 01, 2013, 07:02:47 AM
All I can say at the start is "Ditto" for all the great things you have provided us.

I was browsing the old posts and noticed a thread indicating HV displayed coordinates in Mercator.  Is that indeed the case or is it now WGS84?

I am running the 998SI and I find several things that are not matching.
     The data in the left windows does not match the data in the bottom.  It looks as though the two are reading the same data but at different points in the file.

I don't suppose you have a wish list set up for us?   ;D
   
Once again....GREAT VIEWER!  I only hope you will continue to enhance and improve it.

 
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: ABAngler on May 03, 2013, 07:12:59 AM
Hi Martin,

Thanks for the work you do on the software.  I tried watching my first recording in the new humviewer (86) and it didn't work.  The sample provided by you works.  I'm running 6.610 on a 1198c and I'm wondering if that's the problem. I open my .dat file and nothing happens.

Thanks,
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: DWilks on May 22, 2013, 08:23:21 AM
When trying to run Humviewer and you get the message 'could not create the Java virtual machine' or something close to that, you might solve the problem by increasing your 'Virtual Memory' on your computer.  Go into Control Panel\System\Advance System Properties\ and under the Advanced tab, within the Performance block, Click on Settings and then Advanced Tab under Performance Options
and then under 'Virtual memory' click the 'change' button and set this value to 3 times your available Ram Memory!  These instructions are for Windows 7, but XP and others should be somewhat the same.  If you can't find this, click on the 'Start' button and type in Virtual Memory and Windows will help you locate where it's done.  Will not solve every problem but it will some and it will help speed up your computer for games and video playback!  Try it and see.  You can always go back and set it to the default size...but I bet you won't.  Hope it helps somebody 8)
Title: No Export to csv
Post by: Gudger on June 06, 2013, 05:30:11 AM
I can't get my data to export to csv.  My goal is to put this data into mapping software and make a 3-D terrain model of a lake so this is the most import export for me.  No message pops up when I try to export to csv and export to gpx and kml are working for this file.  The file is approximately two hours of shallow data and contains 85,000 points and I can send it to you if you'd like.

In an effort to try and work around this issue I tried making a sub-recording.  Every time I try to make a sub-recording Humviewer gets stuck on 33%.

-humminbird unit is 788ci HD combo
-Firmware Version 6.640
-Windows7 64bit

Thank-you in advance for your help.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Oceanscience on July 26, 2013, 11:53:52 AM
Hello Martin,

How difficult would it be to add the additional feature of real time data viewing and acquisition by connecting the Humminbird SI to a laptop on the boat with a network cable (Humminbird Ethernet cable to RJ45)? Dr Depth (the old version) did this quite well but as we all know its replacement will not be around until Fall this year and we would really like to have this option sooner. Please let me know what you think and if this might be a possibility.

- Oceanscience
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on July 28, 2013, 06:11:49 AM
Probably not that difficult if I had a unit that supported ethernet. Unfortunately I only have a 997C SI that do not.

Best regards
Martin

Hello Martin,

How difficult would it be to add the additional feature of real time data viewing and acquisition by connecting the Humminbird SI to a laptop on the boat with a network cable (Humminbird Ethernet cable to RJ45)? Dr Depth (the old version) did this quite well but as we all know its replacement will not be around until Fall this year and we would really like to have this option sooner. Please let me know what you think and if this might be a possibility.

- Oceanscience
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: diver651 on July 30, 2013, 09:29:34 AM
Perhaps someone can find a way to set up an account through which people can contribute to Martin getting a new unit. If anyone who has ever appreciated the value of the Hummviewer program donated just a few dollars, I would have expected it should be easy to accumulate enough to cover the cost of a new unit and the shipping.

It would seem like the least we can do for what he has provided us free of charge.

Mike
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: newkid4si on July 30, 2013, 08:34:52 PM
Martin
    Your Humviewer program has added great value to my ability to review and understand my recordings.
    I appreciate what you have done for us. I would be happy to donate $50.00 toward the purchase of an
    ethernet enabled unit for you.

                  Mike
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bufordw on September 09, 2013, 10:07:52 AM
Has anyone figured out how to donate?  I just downloaded the viewer for Mac and it works great.  I would like to donate but don't know how.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Team CTM on November 10, 2013, 01:08:42 AM
I downloaded the HumViewer for mac. But my mac says the file is damaged  so I can't open it or start te program. I run the latest mac software, Maverics..
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: mrj9600 on November 11, 2013, 10:00:15 AM
Hi
Weird, as I have not changed the files on the web. I guess I will need to build a new version and upload it.

Best regards
Martin
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Team CTM on November 11, 2013, 02:39:16 PM
That would be very nice of you as I really want to use this piece of software on my mac :)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: peterv6i on February 05, 2014, 05:25:48 AM
Is there any way to collaborate on humview? as open source project?

Maybe it will be nice to correct zoom option and add option to rotate zoomed image , save as jpg ...
upload video directly to youtube, integrate google maps into gps track...

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of hummingbird files - Mac version
Post by: michbarr on March 21, 2014, 10:49:04 AM
I am not able to get humviewer to run on my Mac running 10.8 OS.  Is there any upgrade of Humviewer that will work on modern mac OS computers?

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: newkid4si on March 21, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
After three attempts to get HumViewer to run on my iMac ( 10.6.8 ), I just gave up and bought a Windows 7 laptop.
HumViewer adds 10 times the value to the Humminbird scanning experience. I thank Martin every day for the program.

             Mike
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: peterv6i on March 22, 2014, 06:59:06 AM
I think the humviewer can be run from Mac and Linux...
You must have java 1.6 version installed..
Then you go into command promt or terminal mode...
Go to directory where Humviewer is installed and type:

java -Xms128m -Xmx1024m -classpath jar\HumViewer.jar;ext\JMF\lib\jmf.jar;ext\JMF\lib\customizer.jar;ext\JMF\lib\mediaplayer.jar;ext\JMF\lib\multiplayer.jar;ext\log4j\log4j-1.2.15.jar;ext\forms-1.3.0\forms-1.3.0.jar HumViewer.HumViewer %1 %2 &

I will try monday morning on linux system..

(http://shrani.si/f/3I/u5/uuJcqI0/windows.png)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: GWDawg1 on March 25, 2014, 04:10:21 PM
Anyone had any compatibility issues with Windows 8?  Everytime I try to save a screenshot it only saves one side of the Side Imaging.  Tried everything with no luck.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: peterv6i on March 26, 2014, 12:35:10 AM
Try to hit "PrintScreen" on keyboard and then paste image inside some graphic program like (pain.net) (http://www.getpaint.net/ (http://www.getpaint.net/))
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: GWDawg1 on March 26, 2014, 04:05:07 AM
I can print screen and the image is correct, however, when use the "Save Snapshot" in the software the image only saves one half of the SI image.  Worked all day on this yesterday, reloaded software, etc. with no success.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: chuck41 on April 09, 2014, 09:30:41 PM
Humviewer works great on both my Windows Vista and also on my Linux-Ubuntu box using WINE to create a Windows environment.  Haven't been able to get the Google Earth to work in the WINE environment so that part doesn't work but everything else seems fine. 
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Wobby on April 29, 2014, 02:59:49 AM
Hi

Ive tried downloading the program from http://humviewer.cm-johansen.dk (http://humviewer.cm-johansen.dk) and it keeps coming up as corrupted.
Is there somewhere else to download a copy? 

thanks
wobby
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: peterv6i on April 29, 2014, 04:27:31 AM
Have you tryed to download a HumView setup file for PC?

tryed now and works well..
(http://shrani.si/f/1j/hd/2hS0101p/humi.png)
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Wobby on April 29, 2014, 05:22:43 AM
Thanks  Peter

ive tried running it and also saving then runing and it still comes up as "set up files corrupted"

any other suggestions?

wobby

Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: peterv6i on April 29, 2014, 05:41:00 AM
Try to download from my google drive... (it's a zip file)..
Just unzip it somewhere on c:\  and ther run runHumViewer.bat

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6Z9wNTXyUEebGhKQ2NTTVlXTU0/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6Z9wNTXyUEebGhKQ2NTTVlXTU0/edit?usp=sharing)

If you don't have java installed please install the java from http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp (http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp)  (java it's not included in my zip file)..
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: newkid4si on April 29, 2014, 08:58:31 AM
Wobby
     
    Are you using Internet Explorer for your browser? Try Firefox or Chrome. I recall someone posting that was how they got it to work.

          Mike
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Wobby on April 30, 2014, 04:23:45 PM

Thanks peter I downloaded from your google and also tried using Chome to downlaod as Mike suggested, the chome download worked so im up and running.

thanks
wobby
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: ricker on May 19, 2014, 09:36:59 AM
Hello,

Is there a "best" combination of firmware, Java and HumViewer that will allow subrecordings?  I have tried several versions to make the subrecording function work to no avail.  They have changed the firmware versions so many times that maybe I am just using the wrong combination?

Rick
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: greenmachine on May 20, 2014, 11:31:50 AM
Running Humviewer version 86 and can't get it to export a CSV of my data.  KML exports fine and I can then use a converter to get the data I need in the right format, but its a tedious process and would love to be able to get CSV.  anyone have any advice?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: peterv6i on May 20, 2014, 11:18:01 PM
yap.. in 86 the export in csv does not work.....
What type of data do you need from csv file?


Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: greenmachine on August 20, 2014, 04:07:31 PM
Wow, sorry for my late reply.  I ended up exporting as KML, then opening KML in a text editor, grabbing the bit with the lat/long/depth info, saving as text and opening in excel, text-to-columns in excel, and then I finally had a good file.  It sounds like a lot but wasn't really so bad, now I am able to open in GIS and theoretically do contours there, though the contours script keeps crashing with so many points.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: greenmachine on July 01, 2015, 01:20:57 PM
I'm having some issues with corrupt files.  I had some errors with my memory card while recording, and now the files are not opening properly.  I know they contain data, but humviewer locks up when I try to load them.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: rnvinc on July 01, 2015, 03:30:03 PM
Are the files and folders still in tact enough to create a RECORD folder on the SD Card (with the files in them) and test the recording in the HB head unit ... ??

Rickie
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: greenmachine on July 01, 2015, 03:58:17 PM
The RECORD folder and .DAT files are all there, along with all corresponding .IDX and .SON, but the ones that won't load into humviewer also won't play back on the head unit.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: rnvinc on July 02, 2015, 12:59:50 PM
PM Robert to see if he will let you email your RECORD folder to him to see what may be missing in the files ...

http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1 (http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1)

Rickie
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: SLYDoggie on September 08, 2015, 10:29:28 AM
I just downloaded the latest version of HumViewer but it won't read my Onix 10 .DAT files. It gives me an error saying that is isn't a valid 64bit DAT file. I assume that HumViewer doesn't currently support the ONIX finders but was wondering if that is coming.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: rnvinc on September 08, 2015, 06:14:03 PM
I just downloaded the latest version of HumViewer but it won't read my Onix 10 .DAT files. It gives me an error saying that is isn't a valid 64bit DAT file. I assume that HumViewer doesn't currently support the ONIX finders but was wondering if that is coming.

Correct in that Humviewer won't play Onix recordings ...

I don't know about Martin ... He hasn't checked in for quite some time ...

Rickie
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: peterv6i on September 15, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
Does Onix have different file format than 998?

I tryed to contact Martin several times.. I'am interested to work on HummViewer as open source project but...
the only way to get the source was a decompile of latest HummViewer.....  ???
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: JEVSkeeter on October 09, 2016, 10:06:51 AM
Good day. I am still having issues downloading a MAC version. Any assistance would be appreciated.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: newkid4si on October 09, 2016, 06:57:54 PM
JEVSkeeter

     To the best of my knowledge no one has been able to get Humviewer to work on a Mac.  I resorted to buying a Windows laptop.  Martin has created a great program. I had hoped Peter would be able to contact him.


           Mike
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bigbear1983 on February 15, 2017, 09:04:35 PM
Hi, new to this forum. I've tried to download the humviewer program. It appears to go though the steps but when I click on the open file I get the following message: windows cannot access the specified device, path, or file. You may not have the appropriate permission to access item."  Can some one point me to a cure?

                                                                   Thanks Mike
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: rnvinc on February 16, 2017, 09:30:18 PM
Hi, new to this forum. I've tried to download the humviewer program. It appears to go though the steps but when I click on the open file I get the following message: windows cannot access the specified device, path, or file. You may not have the appropriate permission to access item."  Can some one point me to a cure?

                                                                   Thanks Mike


Did you download Humviewer from here ...??
http://humviewer.cm-johansen.dk (http://humviewer.cm-johansen.dk)

Did you save the application file to your PC 1st and then try to run the application ...??

Rickie
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: newkid4si on February 17, 2017, 10:08:57 AM
Just had my computer wiped clean (corrupted download) and Win 7 Pro installed.  Tech installed Norton AV and all updates.  Tried to download HumViewer and Norton said it contained a virus and wouldn't go any farther.  I'm guessing he was using Internet Explorer.  Will talk to him later today.  I'll let you know how this works out.  He hates Chrome and it's the one I like.  We'll see.

         Mike
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bigbear1983 on February 17, 2017, 12:18:44 PM
Hi, yes I did try from that address. I clicked on it, hit save and when it finished and asked if I wanted to run,   I hit that and that is when I get that message.

                       Thanks
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: rnvinc on February 17, 2017, 07:41:52 PM
Hi, yes I did try from that address. I clicked on it, hit save and when it finished and asked if I wanted to run,   I hit that and that is when I get that message.

                       Thanks

Did the Humviewer program successfully install ...??

Look in your Programs and see if Humviewer is there ...

Rickie
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bigbear1983 on February 18, 2017, 09:40:17 AM
Hi, I looked in the program files and there is no humviewer in there.

                                                   Thanks
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Bob B on February 18, 2017, 05:33:05 PM
Humviewer also requires Java 1.6 ..... Did you makes sure you have that.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Bob B on February 18, 2017, 05:41:20 PM
Just had my computer wiped clean (corrupted download) and Win 7 Pro installed.  Tech installed Norton AV and all updates.  Tried to download HumViewer and Norton said it contained a virus and wouldn't go any farther.  I'm guessing he was using Internet Explorer.  Will talk to him later today.  I'll let you know how this works out.  He hates Chrome and it's the one I like.  We'll see.

         Mike

I have sometimes have had to do a temporary disable of virus protection when downloading software. I have heard others complain of download issues with IE ......I have good luck with Fire fox or Chrome.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bigbear1983 on February 18, 2017, 07:20:41 PM
Well, I downloaded the newest Java, disabled my firewall and still get the same message as before, about not having appropriate permission to access. I also got a message from Norton saying that this file is not safe, though it says there are hundreds of users. It says "Threat type: Insight Network Threat There are many indications that this file is untrustworthy and therefore not safe". It also says - setup-version-86.exe   Threat name "WS.Reputation.1" Though when I looked that up, it just gives a generic type threat rating. Guess I'll have to play around with settings and see what happens.
                              Thanks
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: bigbear1983 on February 18, 2017, 07:42:12 PM
UpDate.   I finally believe I got it. Had to mess around with Norton and found a way to allow this program.                        Thanks for all the help
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: newkid4si on February 19, 2017, 08:58:59 PM
HumViewer installed today by the computer tech.  He used IE (told you he hated Chrome) and by disabling Norton AV while downloading the program.  Restarted Norton and ran a scan.  Norton found HumViewer saying it contained malware.  He had Norton disregard it and everything works for now.

  Threat name "WS.Reputation.1" is the name of the file Norton doesn't like.   Here is a link to Norton Community updated June 2016 discussing this file.

           https://community.norton.com/en/forums/clarification-wsreputation1-detection


           Mike
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: fshndude on May 07, 2017, 06:57:51 PM
I know this is an old thread but I just tried to play a recording from my Helix GN2. Won't play? I guess I'll have to record on the console 899. Any thoughts folks?
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: newkid4si on May 07, 2017, 08:50:45 PM
Dave
     I think I saw a post that said Humviewer only works with the core units. Your 899 should be good to go.

           Mike
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: fshndude on May 08, 2017, 04:25:29 AM
Are we going to get an up dated version to work with the newer units? Would be nice.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Bob B on May 08, 2017, 08:34:37 AM
This is a 3rd party product not supported by Humminbird .... maybe you can send a message on the site where you downloaded it.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: fshndude on May 08, 2017, 08:56:42 AM
Thanks Bob, I read the whole old post, but the fellow that wrote the program is not responding to anybody any more. I was playing around with my Auto Chart program and I had 2d playing on my Auto Chart. I might have to buy another program like reef master to view my recordings from the Helix GN2.
Title: Re: HumViewer - Viewer of humminbird files
Post by: Bob B on May 08, 2017, 09:44:20 AM
Yellowfin is another one ..... not sure what all it supports
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