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Other Humminbird Products => GPS Chartplotters and Non-SI Humminbird Units => Topic started by: sideburns on January 25, 2017, 08:42:40 PM

Title: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: sideburns on January 25, 2017, 08:42:40 PM: This is my first post here, although Ive been lurking the forums for almost a year now. I have an 859 down imaging unit "kvd version" with the original transom mount 800/455 200/455 transducer and have not been happy with the fish arches I get out of the narrow 2d sonar. I troll alot for trout kokanee and salmon. I would really like to use the wider 200/83 mhz frequency and still be able to locate fish while using the main motor, with the minn kota stowed.

I thought, until recent reading, that the XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T was my only option. The posts I discovered here are a few years old, http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=6080.0 (http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=6080.0) & http://bb.sideimageforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4538. (http://bb.sideimageforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4538.) This seems to indicate, since my unit does have a menu option for 200/83, that all I would need is a y cable and a 2d transducer. Can anyone verify this for my specific model, and/or suggest a specific transom mount transducer to add?

Thanks for your time!
Title: Re: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: rnvinc on January 26, 2017, 10:48:55 AM: You can indeed use the AS SIDB Y cable and any of the HB stock 200kHz/83kHz xducers to get the wider 20°/60° Sonar beams to function with you 859 DI model ...

This is possible because the wiring configuration of the AS SIDB Y cable disconnnects the 2d wire going to the 2d piezo in the XNT 9 DI T and reroutes the 2d signal to the 2d xducer connected to the Dual Beam leg of the AS SIDB Y cable ...

It is still important to change the Connected Transducer "Menu" to "Dual Beam" (or DI+200/83 dependent on software version) so that the transmitter knows to transmit the 200kHz/83kHz 2d ...

Rickie
Title: Re: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: sideburns on January 26, 2017, 07:03:27 PM: Thanks so much for your help and your quick reply I can't wait to try it out. I hope it helps with the depth reading the downrigger ball also.
Title: Re: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: rnvinc on January 26, 2017, 10:29:10 PM: Quote from: sideburns on January 26, 2017, 07:03:27 PM
Thanks so much for your help and your quick reply I can't wait to try it out. I hope it helps with the depth reading the downrigger ball also.

Are you having problems with depth readings ... ??

Rickie
Title: Re: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: sideburns on January 27, 2017, 02:31:05 AM: Sometimes the depth reading picks up the downrigger ball. Trolling in in 75+ fow, at certain downrigger ball depth intervals, it reads the ball depth, but of coarse I can still tell how deep it really is by the graph. Changing sensitiviy, clutter, max or clear wont change it. If it really bugs me I'll reboot it and sometimes its fixed, for a while.

I haven't tried using the 2d depth detection setting yet though.

I'm still fumbling my way around this thing, as its our first finder of this caliber. Ive got a few other areas of confusion too, if you've got the time /patience...
Title: Re: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: rnvinc on January 27, 2017, 09:01:05 AM: Are you wanting to actually see the downrigger ball on the 2d display without that downrigger ball causing the digital depth to register at the down rigger ball depth ... or just keep accurate depth and not worry about seeing the downrigger ball on the display ... ??

Rickie
Title: Re: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: sideburns on January 28, 2017, 06:20:59 AM: Well, I dont mind seeing the ball, its kinda nice seeing the visual reference. Either way works as long as I can trust the depth reading.... Quite a shock/panic when you first see the depth is the same as your gear!
Title: Re: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: rnvinc on January 29, 2017, 09:46:36 AM: The scenario is that the unit derives bottom from the closest "multi-repinged" hard echo from the xducer ...

If a target is pinged several times and then not pinged = the unit processes that target as "something" between the xducer and the bottom ...

If a target is continually pinged (and at the same relative distance from the xducer) = the unit processes that target as bottom - thus digital depth at that target - and also painting bottom at that distance in the Sonar scroll ...

Most articles I have read indicate it's best to angle the 2d beam forward a little to "miss" the downrigger ball ...

Rickie
Title: Re: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: sideburns on January 29, 2017, 10:29:23 PM: Thanks, sound like solid advice. Ive been thinking of angling forwards a little more just to try to get a little cleaner high speed image. My Lund rivited boat hull is one of the worst looking boat bottoms for transom transducer mounting.... Certainly cant get the thing on plane and see anything useful.
Title: Re: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: newkid4si on January 30, 2017, 10:02:41 PM: sideburns

I also have a Lund. Click on the link and scroll towards the bottom to see how I got around this issue. Worked for me. YMMV

http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=4764.msg29554;topicseen#new (http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=4764.msg29554;topicseen#new)

Mike
Title: Re: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: sideburns on January 31, 2017, 02:37:06 AM: Great minds think alike.... Thats the general idea of what I temporarily did to find my current xducer location. Mine was a heck of a lot cruder, and involved c-clamps though!
Title: Re: 200/83 khz transducer for 859ci hd di
Post by: newkid4si on January 31, 2017, 12:04:12 PM: It's a lot easier to move the C clamps than it is to fill the holes because you didn't get it right the first time. I've seen boats that looked like Bonnie & Clydes car after that little incident in La.

Mike