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Offline jmoffett

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Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« on: March 10, 2012, 10:17:11 AM »
I have a 2004 Lund ProV SE 1800 that I started upgrading the original Lowrance locators last year to Humminbird side imaging. Last year I purchased and installed an 898cSI at the console position and two weeks ago I purchased a 998cSI with the plan of moving the 898 to the bow and placing the 998 at the console. I also purchased the Humminbird AS EC 20E Ethernet cable to connect to two units. My boat unfortunately has a Minn Kota PA/AP/US 74 lb. thrust trolling motor with built in standard transducer and Co-Pilot so I cannot mount a transducer to the trolling motor without cutting the transducer cable. Because of this I am forced to share the transom mounted transducer from the console unit through the Ethernet. Because the transom transducer is shared between the two units, there is no advantage to installing the second GPS unit so I planned to share that as well, so that the GPS, which is located at the Right rear of the boat, is close to the transducer. I completed the installation and connected the Ethernet cable then turned on the two units, starting with the console unit as advised in the Ethernet installation instructions and then the bow unit. I went through the set up as described, renaming the each unit and making sure that the transducer and GPS unit on the console 998 were shared. I tried re-starting each unit in proper sequence several times, but each time it shows that the transducer and GPS unit are not connected or available from the 898, however the 998 appears to be fine. It is as if the Ethernet cable is not even connected, however I checked and re-connected it several times. Humminbird service advised me to update the software on the 998cSI from 5.700 to 6.180, which I did. I had also downloaded an update for the 898cSI which is currently 5.410, but the lady on the service line said there was an issue with the 6.180 software for the 898cSI, and advised not to update it until the update was corrected which should be next week. She also advised that I get another Ethernet cable and/or try reversing the cable, which I have done. Regardless of everything I have tried, I am still getting the same results. The 898cSI does not recognize any sonar or GPS. Everything on the network screen is greyed out.  Any help would be appreciated.


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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2012, 11:07:47 AM »
Hi,
I see that you posted this same equerry on IDO and here. Since you are now a member of side image soft why don't you do some searches on this site for Ethernet issues. The issue with the 6.180 release for the 898 appears to be some file naming problem that is supposed to be fixed this coming week.

Some other sites you might want to check into are:

http://www.xumba.scholleco.com/

http://www.bbcboards.net/zeroforum?id=279


Take care,

Roger

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2012, 12:37:18 PM »
I am in the same boat more or less...

http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=3659.0

I called HB last week and was the first they had heard of having a issue sharing sonar after updating to the 6.180 on the 898.  Mine was working perfecty (sharing sonar, gps) until I updated my 898.  (798 bow and 898 console).  I have been waiting to see if it was just me or something with the update and this post is indicating it is in fact the update causing the issue.

Why can't you mount a TM transducer?  I have a I-Pilot with a US2 and run the 798 CSI transducer on the the TM.  I removed the US2 cable since I don't use the built in US2 transducer.  (Pull the head off the TM and there is a connector right there to disconnect the US2 cable so you can remove it from the head through the power cable and get it out of the way.

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2012, 01:54:54 PM »
Thanks to both of you for the responses.  My first time on a forum.  I'm surprised you were able to update your 898 because they told me it would not recognize the file, that it was actually for an 1197, even though Humminbird Select said it was the update for it.  My 998 took the update just fine.  Like Roger said, hopefully it is fixed this week.  I just hope it isn't something wrong with my 898 and I lose more time.  As far as the TM mount goes, with the copilot my motor has a different type of pivot in that it rotates up then the shaft slides through the mount till it rests on the stop.  The shaft can actually rotate more than 360 degrees with the Copilot.  The only places I could tie wrap the cable to the motor is the very bottom and the very top.  That is a lot of unsecurred cable and it looks like it would get pinched or cut very easily.  I talked with Minn Kota to see if I could pull a new cable through the motor and they advised against it because it would be difficult to seal and the cable goes through the motor armature areal and would be difficult to keep from rubbing on the armature.  Of course they want to sell me a new motor which I really don't need.  Pics are attached.

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2012, 04:27:15 PM »
It is do-able with that TM...  2 options.  The cleanest and best didn't work for me due to too much interference.  You can remove the TM head and disconnect the neutral, positive, negative and US2 cable then remove one screw and take the entire head off the TM.  Then slip the shaft out and route the transducer cable the way it is in the pictures below (Use a water proof glue or silicone to glue the cable into the slot on the TM shaft.  It will clear completely and not rub, plenty of room.).  Super clean but I got too much TM interference and scrapped that method.  May work for some but not for me.  I tried several different things from both Humminbird and Minnkota to reduce the interference and no luck.  So my second option.  Just have a loop out there for the transducer cable.  Just enough so that when the TM is all the way out the loop can't hit the TM prop.  Been running it this way for months and ZERO issues.  Not totally clean looking per se but works 100% with zero interference.  I just have to reach out and route the cable just under the TM motor head when I am pulling the TM out of the water so it doesn't get pinched anywhere.

« Last Edit: March 10, 2012, 04:39:47 PM by wolfs4evr »

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2012, 04:28:56 PM »
Ah, re-looking at that TM maybe you can't do it the way I pictured in the first half but you can mount your transducer the way I ended up mounting mine with the loose loop of transducer cable.

I also run the transducer cable on the underside of the TM shaft and underside of the TM motor storage arms when stored.  Just where it was sitting when I snapped these pics months ago (going over the top of the shaft.)  To deploy the TM I just drop it like normal.  The cable has yet to hang up on anything slipping out.

Love having readings from up from where I spend most of my time.  Plus I can turn the TM and more or less get 360 side imaging.  The cheap way :)

I downloaded the update last Saturday and at that time on Humminbirds site it said 898 update.  I noticed the other day for some reason is says 1197 update under my 898.  Not sure what that is all about.  Same file long and confusing file name.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2012, 04:38:48 PM by wolfs4evr »

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2012, 04:43:27 PM »
Great!!!!  Thanks for the tip and the pics also so I can see what you did.  I will order a TM mount from Transducer Shield and Saver right now and make it happen.  That will at least get me a transducer on the TM and I can mount a separate GPS antenna up front so it is close to it as well.  The only thing left will be the Ethernet problem so I can share waypoints.  Thanks again.

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2012, 04:46:55 PM »

I downloaded the update last Saturday and at that time on Humminbirds site it said 898 update.  I noticed the other day for some reason is says 1197 update under my 898.  Not sure what that is all about.  Same file long and confusing file name.

Look at the .bin file name.  If it is about 3,500 kb it is the 1197,  If it is the 27,000 kb file it is the 898

 
Chuck

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2012, 04:56:27 PM »
I have the 26,995 file.  But I still think there is isssues on this update and it isn't me.  Will see by the end of this week what HB has to say.  I want my sonar sharing via Ethernet back!!!  W/O having to go back to a older update.  I like lots of the new stuff on the newest update.

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2012, 05:02:04 PM »
OK, I may have miss read you posting.  I think there are several issues with the 6.180 when it comes to ethernet and or connected units..

Hopefully HB will get this fix out soon.

I am having a little problem getting the 898 large file in our download section but will continue to work on this just in case the fix is dependent on having 6.180 and is a short file release..

Chuck

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2012, 06:01:21 PM »
Though we have gotten way off the subject...  I just ran out and snapped a couple more pics so you can see how I routed my transducer cable better, maybe...  When the TM is up I just tuck the loop under the plastic side of the TM base mount and it stays put when on the trailer, etc.  I just leave the loop hanging when I am at the lake running spot to spot.  No issues.  More importantly no interference running the cable this way away from the TM shaft and power wires.

« Last Edit: March 10, 2012, 06:05:05 PM by wolfs4evr »

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2012, 11:28:51 PM »
Thanks for taking the time to get the other pics.  It's true what they say about a picture.  This really has been a great help.  I had given up hope on the TM mounted transducer.  I just hope Humminbird comes through on the Ethernet issue now so I can share the way points.  At least I will have the sonar and GPS where it counts.

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2012, 11:49:27 PM »
When I am alone I switch the console 898s sonar off so I don't cause cross chatter between the two units since they both operate on the same frequencies (83/200 especially).  Quick and easy to do.  Just hit the power button and select sonar off.  When my daughter or anyone else is with me I switch the console unit to the TM transducer so they have a picture in the back of the boat.  Works well and simple to do via a couple button pushes in the Ethernet settings page.  (When that function is working...)
« Last Edit: March 11, 2012, 01:36:53 AM by wolfs4evr »

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2012, 11:32:20 PM »
I got everything mounted on the TM as you recommended and went out today.  Everything worked great, never had any issues with the cord.  Thanks for the tip and especially the pics.  HB had a lot of issues with getting the software right. They sent me an update file, but it would not take.  They sent me another one and it finally worked.  Thanks again

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2012, 08:39:29 AM »
Awesome!

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Re: Humminbird 898-998 Ethernet Problems
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2012, 01:08:31 PM »
The 898 had two releases almost back to back.
both are a 6.180 flavor...the second release fixed some problems in the first..
It sound like you got the correct release.

407b11ffc5734ce19e1bebae3b7bd097.bin   3/??/2012    898
ae8b76db661e45d58134e3a420e2c92b.bin           3-14/2012    898  supposed to fix the 3/?? issues

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« Last Edit: March 18, 2012, 01:10:21 PM by sonar2000 »


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