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Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« on: April 03, 2013, 06:18:04 PM »
Here is press release: http://www.humminbird.com/company/media/?id=3660

But the XNT-9-DI-T product description does not list the 1198(or the 1197) as a supported unit.

Would this work with a 1197cSI unit also?

I would like to get better DI imaging even if I would have to hassle with the HB switch.

Are the XNT-9-DI-T and the TS3 switch all that is needed?
What Transducer Type would be set in the unit?
« Last Edit: April 03, 2013, 06:23:07 PM by LittleGazoo »


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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2013, 08:10:49 PM »
Something is not right about the press release. the release states
 "I also run an XNT-9-DI-T Down Imaging transducer to get the most detailed picture of what’s straight down. The DI transducer comes with a switch so I simply run that toggle to instantly switch between the best Side- and Down Imaging views possible,” says Ehrler. "

The XNT-9-DI-T does not come with a switch, that i have seen.. the T3 is a seperate item.
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2013, 10:29:35 AM »
TTF is right in that we do not package any of the DI model transducers with a TS3 switch.
The rest I am trying to get some clarification on.
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2013, 11:43:07 AM »
I also read on some walleye or crappie forums that some people have this sonar setup.

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2013, 02:19:27 PM »
Well being an flw pro HB probably threw the switch in the shipment because they knew he would need it. If the publish date was 4/1 I would have said April fools.

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2013, 07:53:25 AM »
This is definitely an interesting concept that this FLW guy speaks about...

I am VERY anxiously awaiting some confirmation Greg...

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2013, 08:10:39 AM »
So am I Rickie.  I know that it can work at some level but what I don’t know is if the TS3 is mandatory in the connections to keep from damaging part of the transmitter circuitry.  I also want to know what other sonar limitations there are, although I could guess at them.  I just don’t want everyone to run off and start doing this and have them potentially damage their units.
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2013, 10:23:02 AM »
Side effects is something i'm concerned because the 1197/1198 unit's DI is a combination of the right and left SI signals from the HDSI transducer. 

The XNT-9-DI-T transducer DI signal could be the same 2 signals or it could be a single signal.

I would think the TS3 switch is just to simply switch transducers and would be neutral otherwise.

But the press release indicates that this combo would work.

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2013, 09:37:56 AM »
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2013, 03:05:16 PM »
only one question: how could it be more damaging to the unit to run this transducer rather than running the optional 1 kw deep water transducer where none of the si channels are used?

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2013, 10:48:00 AM »
When you run the optional 1kW transducer you set the “Transducer Select” menu to the “Dual 50/200” setting which turns off the Si sonar.
[The “Transducer Select” menu is called “Connected Transducer” in some of the latest software versions.]

When using the DI type transducers, only one of the two Si sonar transmitters/receivers is connected to.  The other has an open load and could cause internal component failure.
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2013, 10:53:18 AM »
So.. Still no info how (or why) this FLW guy is using a DI xducer on a SI unit...???

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2013, 12:31:19 PM »
No, the person I am waiting to hear from is normally at tourny’s and boat shows this time of year.
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2013, 08:08:06 PM »
No, the person I am waiting to hear from is normally at tourny’s and boat shows this time of year.


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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2013, 10:27:08 AM »
Tap tap

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2013, 01:34:00 PM »
Nible, nible... BUMP!
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2013, 12:57:02 AM »
bump, bump
tap, tap
nible, nible

ring, ring ... anyone have a moble phone at the shows?

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2013, 01:25:30 AM »
bump, bump
tap, tap
nible, nible

ring, ring ... anyone have a moble phone at the shows?


You guys are hilarious....

I say send the drones to find him...

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2013, 05:40:55 AM »
from walleye and crappie forums, it seems like a couple of other pros run this setup as well. could this be some secret test? so there is some new software or new units that will give us the best of both worlds.  :)

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2013, 11:25:00 AM »
These are not the droids you are looking for…  ;D


Still waiting to find the details out sjefsrafsern.  >:(
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2013, 10:17:01 PM »
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2013, 02:14:59 PM »
Long time reader, first time poster!

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2013, 06:51:29 PM »
Yup ..we're still waitin on this one too...

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2013, 10:01:56 PM »
Greg-- This might be your chance.
          Brent Ehrler's schedule.

           FLW Tour Majors   Lake Eufaula   5/16 – 5/19   Eufaula, AL   

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2013, 10:10:12 PM »
  This video may be what it's like with his set-up.

        http://www.brentehrlerfishing.com/?p=532

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2013, 08:53:12 AM »
That video is a very good example if how one can use the 2d to catch fish...

We're still waiting of some kind of explaination of how the OP states he is using a DI Xducer on his 1198c SI...

tap...tap....tap....

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2013, 06:38:32 PM »
That video is how many folks have been fishing around here for years. It is one of the reasons I put the 'zoom box' request in the wishlist. Now back to the tapping.

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2013, 10:46:52 AM »
I find it very curious as to why the bass boys are not discussing this at bbc...

One would think that if this were a huge advantage breakthru for bass fishing...it would be a major topic at bbc...

I have not heard a peep of this over there...

Maybe one of the active sideimagingsoft users that is also active at bbc can open this topic over at bbc and get some feedback....

Doug, at the very least, should know something...

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2013, 02:32:13 PM »
Maybe everyone wants to keep it a secret.... 

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2013, 04:41:54 PM »
I'm in my bulldog mode of gathering info on Ehrler's setup.
Here's more.

         
Brent Ehrler - Humminbird Setup


Now we know who did it and if the audio wasn't so crappy, we would understand more.

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2013, 10:44:30 PM »
Well, he definitely said he has 3 transducers on the back and one of them is a DI feeding his 1198. :o
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2013, 08:14:57 AM »
The 1198 and standard HDSI transducer uses the following pins:
Pin#1 for the right SI beam.
Pin#3 for the left SI beam.
Pin#6 for 2D 83/200.

So Greg, what is the XNT-9-DI-T pin layout?

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2013, 09:13:33 AM »
Since the Brent Ehrler / XNT 9 DI T was a press release by Humminbird, I have decided to order the XNT 9 DI T from Amazon, $111.20 with free shipping. 

I have some switches so I should be good to go.

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2013, 02:55:51 PM »
Wish he would have said how he has that DI transducer connected: through a TS3 Transducer Switch or straight to the second Si unit at the console.

I still have not heard that running the Di transducer connected straight to a unit or through a TS3 will cause any internal damage or not… not sure what the holdup is.

I too am wondering why there is no more chatter about this.
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2013, 03:46:22 PM »
 It's plugged into the switch. He uses the switch to switch between SI and DI.

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2013, 09:34:49 PM »
Here is a quote from Doug Vahrenberg:

1198c can display DI from the XNT 9 DI T if your in a SI View it will only show one side but Brent added a Transducer Switch which allows him to switch between the different DI from Dedicated DI and Composite DI from the SI to help him look at the structure in all ways, Shape and transducer types.

I tried this a couple years ago but I noticed very little difference between the DI only transducer and the Composite DI from SI transducer.


Back to me...Now who is going to be a guinnea pig and test this?  Doug is not really a DI guy to start with.......he is all about the coverage you can get from SI......Which is good for the way he fishes.  Seems like there may be more to be discovered here.
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2013, 09:52:30 PM »
Greg,

Did I have correct information on the standard 1198/1197 HDSI pin layout above?

Maybe you could post the HDSI pin layout also?

Thanks

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2013, 12:50:52 AM »
I can understand Doug's quote about the unit showing the DI signal from the DI xducer if you're in a SI view...and the switch allows Brent to switch between the signal from the DI xducer or the HDSI xducer...to be sent to the SI view in the unit..

But what does he mean by "it will only only show one side"...??

Is it taking the DI signal thru pin #1 and just showing a dedicated DI image on the right side of the "full screen SI" (because pin#1 of the HDSI xducer is the right SI channel) ....leaving the left side of the SI screen blank...??...(because there's no signal going to the "left SI pin"..in the head unit...??)

Wouldn't that leave the left SI Channel unconnected with a load on it...which we've always heard will damage the internal circuitry of the unit..??

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2013, 02:43:30 AM »
yes, this is what greg is trying to figure out. and if it is safe for us to use this set up or if it is going to damage the un used channel.

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2013, 04:23:05 PM »
Right, the DI sonar would be displayed as the Right Si sonar through the Pin 1 connection but the Left Si sonar (Pin 3 would not be connected to anything unless the TS3 switch were used.  This would add some load to the transmitter circuitry but I don’t know which, if either, of these would be considered safe for the units electronics.  Maybe both are and there is nothing to worry about or maybe one or the other or both aren’t and those who have been using it like this have just been lucky.  That is what I am trying to find out.

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2013, 07:57:54 PM »
Here's something else to chew on.  http://www.garyengbergoutdoors.com/blog/2013/03/22/down-imaging-triumphs-during-pre-spawn-bite-3-22-2013/

A quote from this article:
“But here’s my secret: I run two transducers for my side unit. While I use the Side Imaging transducer that’s included, I also run an XNR-9-DI-T Down Imaging transducer to get the most detailed picture of what’s straight down. The DI transducer comes with a switch so I simply run that toggle to instantly switch between the best Side- and Down Imaging views possible,” says Ehrler.
Depending on what SI and DI units you use, you can also accomplish the same thing with the Humminbird TS3 transducer switch.
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2013, 11:23:42 PM »
Some quotes from Doug in the discussion over at BBC...


QUOTE=Doug Vahrenberg ...It's the transmitter you are worried about. Since SI and DI use the same frequency the transmitter is still transmitting thru a DI Transducer or SI Transducer. On SI transducer it's transmitting thru two elements.

On DI only with 2D only transducer the transmitter is transmitting 455 or 800 kHz but no element to transmit thru.
[/quote]

Another quote...

QUOTE=Doug Vahrenberg ....Plug the XNT 9 DI T Transducer direct into the unit or use a TS3 Switch and leave the transducer select on HiDef Side Scan. It works for those that want to try it. Personally the Composite DI is very close for me and would not be worth the added costs for my fishing style to pay the added costs.[/quote]

There is still no explaination as to why the unused channel of the SI is not going to be damaged when hooked to the XNT 9 DI T...

No disrespect to Doug intended but I sure would like some confirmation from Greg....

Rickie




« Last Edit: May 01, 2013, 11:34:36 PM by rnvinc »

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2013, 07:35:56 AM »
nevermind.  my link was already posted

DI doesnt appear to be improved enough to warrant the extra work of installation or the cost
« Last Edit: May 02, 2013, 07:44:48 AM by TroyBoy30 »

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2013, 09:51:53 AM »
Alright guys, I got to speak with someone about this yesterday.  One of those being at the right place at the right time things.

As far as we (Humminbird) knows, there have been no reported problems with running an XNT-9-DI-T Down Imaging transducer on the Side Imaging units.  The transducer switch is not needed for this (unless you want to change back and forth from the Si to DI transducers).
It is recommended that you use the AS-SI-DB-Y cable and a DualBeam transducer as the 200kHz 2D element in the DI transducer is different and will affect the 2D sonar readings (they will be weaker if using the 2D sonar from the DI transducer).
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2013, 02:43:03 PM »
Greg

After everything is said and done would we better off purchasing a dedicated DI unit.  The 858c HD DI Combo appears to be a good unit.  Right now it is on sale for $839.95 plus there is a $100 mail in rebate.  I am thinking about making a purchase, any thoughts?

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2013, 05:41:43 PM »
That’s up to you George.  I guess if you have the money to spend and have the room to install the unit than why not?  You can easily shut the sonar off on one unit while you use the sonar on the second unit.
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2013, 07:35:18 PM »
George... That would be a good option.  If you put it at the console, you would have to turn off your SI unit sonar when using it.  You could use the 858 for full screen mapping when not using the DI.

I don't think DI works all that great on the trolling motor.
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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2013, 04:29:55 PM »
Reading between the lines does not always get the correct answer....

So after switching to the XNT-9-DI-T, is the 1197 DI screen working?  I would want to view the DI screen and get a better image than available from the HDSI transducer.

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2013, 10:20:39 PM »
Reading between the lines does not always get the correct answer....

So after switching to the XNT-9-DI-T, is the 1197 DI screen working?  I would want to view the DI screen and get a better image than available from the HDSI transducer.

I guess we will know more when someone actually tries this setup...

I just received the XNT 9 DI T and decided to send it back and ordered the XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T because it has 83/200kHz 2d instead of the 200/455kHz 2d...

I'll report as soon as I can get it installed and tested...

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Re: Ehrler's use of XNT-9-DI-T transducer with 1198?
« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2013, 09:27:20 PM »
Hey guys I was out in my boat today and I have the DI ducer and the TS3 switch set up. I wired this as soon as I seen the write up. Brand new boat so I figured what another couple hundred bucks while I have it all apart.

I didn’t get much time to play around with it today as I was only out for a half day and was breaking in the motor for most of it.

Things I can confirm is : when switched to the DI ducer it does show up on the right SI screen. It does not show up on the DI screen. It is considerably different than DI from the SI ducer. I could guess that it’s because of the SI default settings compared to the DI default settings…. Just a guess. With a quick look the 2D didn’t look much different when flipping between them.

So why does the pics in the article show Ehrlers DI on the right screen?

I know one thing is that my DI from the SI ducer is very faint(can barely make out the bottom) unless I crank the sensitivity to full…..  I’m new to the unit so it looks like I’ll be doing some reading.

Stay tuned more to come when I get back out on the water and spend some real time playing around with it.



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