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AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« on: April 19, 2013, 08:16:43 AM »
I am still very satisfied with the new AS GPS HS "heading sensor" antenna...

The software version required to operate it...not so much...

I had noticed lately that my brushpiles were not showing up very well on the SI view...so natually I started playing with settings to try and get better images ....but nothing I experimented with seemed to get satisfactory results...

Looking closely at the SI image I noticed (especially using the Inverse color pallette) that the "verticle lines" (on the the SI image where the water column meets the bottom) seemed to be miniature "zigzagged"...and I mean very small zigzagged....

The more I studied the SI image...the more points on the image seemed like miniature zigzagged points....(even fish echoes looked like miniature zigzagged white echoes....)

So I decided it was time to capture some screenshots using the newer software version (6.610) and compared the same area of bottom in screenshots taken with the stable 6.310 version (that I have grown to love for good SI images)...

I waited until last light so the wind would calm down to be able to have better boat control in running 2 identical tracks to capture the separate images for the 6.310 and 6.610 software versions...

The first thing I did was ...:
*..."Export NAV data" to a SD card...
*..."Remove SD cards"
*..."Format NAV Directories"...
*..."Restore Factory Defaults"
*..."Load 6.310 into my 1197"
*..."Restore Factory Defaults"
I then went thru the entire menu system and shut off every feature that the unit would let me shut off (to hopefully allow the best processor capability possible)...

Following is the screenshot I took with 6.310 using the 800kHz frequency with the SI Range set to 50ft both sides (notice the stakebed in the lower right SI)...to my eyes this is satisfactory...



Next I went thru the same procedure as above but loaded 6.610 into my 1197...(and shut off the same features in the menu system for equal comparison)..

Following are the screenshots I took with 6.610 using the 800kHz frequency with the SI Range set to 50ft both sides (this is the same boat track that I retraced from the first test using the 6.310)...





It's no wonder I have not been able to see my brushpiles on my SI view with this newer 6.610 version software ...

Every pixel in the SI image is zigzagged beyond comprehension...making the image almost useless for finding structure such as brush...

It almost looks to me like the unit is taking each and every sonar ping's slice data and "offsetting" the slices left and right 4-6 inches when the processor is "stacking" the ping slice data in the image...

Now , I do not know yet if this is just my 1197, my copy of the 6.610 version software, or something not yet determined...

I do know that my 6.310 version software gives very satisfactory results in the SI view...so I have suspicion it's in this newer 6.610 software...(or maybe the way my 1197 processes the 6.610 software)....

Anyone seeing similar "zigzagged" effects in their 6.610 SI images ...??

Rickie
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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2013, 09:18:57 AM »
Wow, those are very distorted!

I am having a problem with my gps and one of the things I have to do for the HS gps is download the latest software.

I am wondering if I can download the 6.310 for this instead of the 6.610??

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2013, 10:09:06 AM »
A couple of days ago, I reloaded 6.610 back onto my 1197 for another test.

The 6.610 setup variables are different from 6.310 in trying to get good pictures.  And the one thing I ran into was the Chart-Speed settings.  On my 1197 I almost had to leave the C-S set to 1 to avoid distortion and pixilation with SI and 2D images.
Here you can see where I changed Chart-Speed from 1 to a Chart-Speed of 6:



The higher the C-S the more distortion.  And C-S setting of 1 is to slow displaying.
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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2013, 11:00:25 AM »
I was playing with my 1197 in demo mode last night. chart speed on low and sensitivity on max made a definite improvement to the 2d return.. It appears to me they still have the chart speed wrong from 3 updates ago.
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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2013, 12:04:33 PM »
Wow, those are very distorted!

I am having a problem with my gps and one of the things I have to do for the HS gps is download the latest software.

I am wondering if I can download the 6.310 for this instead of the 6.610??

No, the GPS-HS GPS Receiver requires the 6.570 or higher software to work on your unit.
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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2013, 04:09:28 PM »
Hi Rnvinc,

Try turning off the 83 kHz channel (i.e. only log 200 kHz.)

I have confirmed that the problem described in the previous forum thread (see link below) is still there in the new versions of the firmware.
(i.e. do not use 83 kHz if you want good recording quality...)

Here is the link:
http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=3890.msg23342#msg23342

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2013, 08:18:20 PM »
I have noticed the same thing, RNVINC,  concerning the lack of crispness on 6.61, however I need it for the iplink!  I am running an 1198, hopefully they will get it corrected.  I have tried every setting I could think of and cannot get as good of an image as before.

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2013, 09:42:48 PM »
Hi Rnvinc,

Try turning off the 83 kHz channel (i.e. only log 200 kHz.)

I have confirmed that the problem described in the previous forum thread (see link below) is still there in the new versions of the firmware.
(i.e. do not use 83 kHz if you want good recording quality...)

Here is the link:
http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=3890.msg23342#msg23342

Tore


I certainly remember this discussion ...but it was only pertains to shifting of the data in recording..did it not..??

The distortion issue noted in my original post was live viewing....I just stopped the "live view" (froze the screen) with the 4 way cursor and captured the screenshots (in all 3 instances)...

Did I miss something in the noted link discussion that this pixel "side-shifting" also happens in "live view"...??

Rickie




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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2013, 09:45:24 PM »
A couple of days ago, I reloaded 6.610 back onto my 1197 for another test.

The 6.610 setup variables are different from 6.310 in trying to get good pictures.  And the one thing I ran into was the Chart-Speed settings.  On my 1197 I almost had to leave the C-S set to 1 to avoid distortion and pixilation with SI and 2D images.
Here you can see where I changed Chart-Speed from 1 to a Chart-Speed of 6:

The higher the C-S the more distortion.  And C-S setting of 1 is to slow displaying.


My "Chart Speed" is always set at 1 because my fishing (and scanning) are always performed at less than 1mph...

Rickie
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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2013, 09:56:58 PM »
Hi Rnvinc,

Try turning off the 83 kHz channel (i.e. only log 200 kHz.)

I have confirmed that the problem described in the previous forum thread (see link below) is still there in the new versions of the firmware.
(i.e. do not use 83 kHz if you want good recording quality...)

Here is the link:
http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=3890.msg23342#msg23342

Tore


My sonar "Beam Select" setting was at the default "200kHz" only..

Rickie

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2013, 01:43:43 AM »
Tore ...do you have any additinal info...

I re-read the linked thread again ...and in it you guys indicate this shifting data issue is only during recording....

My distortion issue is happening during "live viewing"...

My brushpiles are being "washed out" in the shifting pixels in this "shifting data" effect making them unrecognizable in the SI view unless the brush happens be brand new or very large...

Rickie

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2013, 07:22:47 AM »
wonder why some are complaining on others of us are actually getting better images with our 1198s?









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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2013, 02:59:49 PM »
wonder why some are complaining on others of us are actually getting better images with our 1198s?

1198 owner's pix definitely helps in the discussion...thanks troy..

This possibility is why I was hoping to get some additional feedback from 1197 owners and 6.610....(and 1198 owners running 6.610)...

This anomoly could very well have to do with the scenario of the older 1197 hardware trying to operate on the newer software version...

ITGEEK (and others I'm sure) have an 1197 but I'm not sure if he's even willing to try 6.610...

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2013, 03:34:14 PM »
Rick
 I have a 1197 updated to 6.61. No on the water yet,but as i posted above in demo mode 2d has issues.
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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2013, 07:19:35 AM »
demo mode is known to have issues as it was recorded under the old code

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2013, 09:43:49 AM »
Rick
 I have a 1197 updated to 6.61. No on the water yet,but as i posted above in demo mode 2d has issues.

Thanks Trytoofish...

When you get to use the 6.610 on the water live viewing...please note carefully your SI images and see if your 1197 has this "zigzagging" effect in the image...

It's really difficult to discern until the image is frozen (with the 4way cursor) and then Zoom in on any vertical line in the image...

Please take the time to get some screenshots and post your findings...

If its just my specific 1197....then I understand its just my problem...
If the effect is "repeatable" in others 1197's...then it's a HB problem...

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2013, 09:45:24 AM »
I have noticed the same thing, RNVINC,  concerning the lack of crispness on 6.61, however I need it for the iplink!  I am running an 1198, hopefully they will get it corrected.  I have tried every setting I could think of and cannot get as good of an image as before.

Redge...do you have any screenshots of this effect on your 1198 that you can post for observation...??

Rickie

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2013, 01:54:40 PM »
I had my 1197cSI and 6.610 on-the-water, but did not zoom in live on any SI screens, but this was before I read this thread.  My 2D setting was 83/200.

I DO SEE the jagged effect viewing recordings taken with both Humviewer and DeepViewFV viewers.

Hope that helped.  I have returned my 1197 and 998 to earlier releases.
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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2013, 07:04:42 PM »
Rickie going for 5 days starting tomorrow I will get some to post!  Thanks for the tips on how to capture what we are talking about.  My images were observed when I was NOT recording.

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2013, 09:46:26 PM »
I had my 1197cSI and 6.610 on-the-water, but did not zoom in live on any SI screens, but this was before I read this thread.  My 2D setting was 83/200.

I DO SEE the jagged effect viewing recordings taken with both Humviewer and DeepViewFV viewers.

Hope that helped.  I have returned my 1197 and 998 to earlier releases.

LittleGazoo...when you get a chance...please try to replicate my zigzagging issue during a live view on your 1197...(freeze the screen with the 4way cursor and zoom in on any vertical line...for example the vertical line where the dark water column meets the bottom)...

I can live with this zigzagging in recordings because I do most of my recording in 6.310 anyway...

But this zigzagging effect in 6.610 is totally washing out my brushpiles in live SI view to where they will not show in the dark water column or against the bottom ...

I'm really satisfied with the operation of the AS GPS HS antenna in my slow trolling application but this crappy 6.610 in my 1197 is making me seriously consider going back to 6.310 and just living with the "donut"...

Rickie

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2013, 10:45:19 AM »
wonder why some are complaining on others of us are actually getting better images with our 1198s?

Damn TroyBoy30.  Maybe it's because LOTS OF PROBLEMS are being reported on units other than 1198's.

Example:  This thread is reporting a problem on an 1197.


And RNVINC. 
I will reload 6.610 and do a test.  But I'm visiting my younger son in Seoul, Korea right now.
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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2013, 08:09:26 AM »
exactly.  most of the reported problems are from older units

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2013, 05:54:07 PM »
Well, Well I see Troy is over here spreading the gospel too....lol

There are a lot of reports about issues with 6.610 on 1198, 998, 898, etc. There are several threads about the issues on the BBC and other forums around the net.  Just like the OP I love my HS gps pucks and choose to put up with the problems in 6.610 because of the HS puck. I do think at some point HB will get all of this figured out but for now my images aren't close to what 6.49 was giving me.

Some of us have figured out there must be a new unit on the market we all can't have yet. Why? Because while 50 of us are complaining about images and other issues 1 or 2 on the BBC swear theirs are perfect even though they keep posting one set of images between them to prove it....lol

Sooooo there must be a "pro" model out there that works with the newest software..... 

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2013, 06:24:01 PM »
Hey James...glad to see you here....(I been following at bbc every day too)...

While my OP is opening discussions for varied series of units having issues with the 6.610...I think it's obvious that some newer units are OK with the new software.....and that's where Troy's input of his specifiic 1198 was OK with the new software...indicating this issue could very well be a problem with our "older" units just not playing nice with the new software...

That's why I started the thread...to see if other 1197 owners (and other series units) were experiencing the same anomalies I was...or maybe it was just my specific unit not playing well with the new version....or if was widespread across all series units...

I agree it's very frustrating to have this much $$ tied into electronics and then a "new and improved" best thing ever software comes out and basically makes some features of our units not work up to standard....

I also agree its frustrating to not hear from HB on this issue...but that's not really different from in the past....(excepting the one deal with 5.700 admission from HB of problems)..it's not likely we will hear of what they are working until it comes out...

I also agree its frustrating to hear some say that the software is just fine in their units...and that's ok too...but I really don't think a customer oriented company like HB just listens to those few.....HB hears us too....keep the chatter going....

Again good to see you here...I'm sure you will have valuable input is several discussions....(I only hope to gain a small iota of the knowledge some of these guys here have...I hope to learn from your experiences also...:)

Rickie

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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2013, 07:14:37 PM »
Rickie

Just want to make sure that readers know all units are having issues. It seems that some folks are convinced installation and settings are to blame. Too many issues being posted for that to be true.

Not really frustrated as I like my Ipilot Link and HS puck enough I can deal with the issues for now. As stated on BBC Humminbird CS has told me more than once they are aware of the problems some are reporting. 

Admit to issues in two updates in a short time period?? Highly unlikely......

I actually came looking for something else ..... lol

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2013, 07:38:13 PM »
I think most agree that there is definitely something amiss in certain series units dealing with the new software...

Until HB comes out with a new version you may have to do like I do ...

I load 6.610 when I need to use my waypoints with the AS GPS HS ...
I load 6.310 to make "pretty" images for display or study...

Pain in the ***....

But we do what we have to for now..

Rickie

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2013, 07:45:25 PM »
 Lets hope it all works ok with the "858" because I,m about to pull the old gps puck off the bow and use it for the portable set up and permanently  mount the  AS GPS HS puck on the front. We'll see theres no side imagining on the 858 of course. Lets hope for no issues, I'll post on this thread if there is. *Fingers crossed* Gat
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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2013, 08:30:04 PM »
Good luck Gattlin, my 958 has problems, I am using 6.61 and have the HS puck installed.  Hopefully yours will work without a hitch!  Image degradation is the problem I have.

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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2013, 08:44:19 PM »
Lets hope it all works ok with the "858" because I,m about to pull the old gps puck off the bow and use it for the portable set up and permanently  mount the  AS GPS HS puck on the front. We'll see theres no side imagining on the 858 of course. Lets hope for no issues, I'll post on this thread if there is. *Fingers crossed* Gat
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The 2d on both my 1198 and 998hd (both new) are terrible with 6.610.  One problem I, and others, have seen is after the update it's almost like you are in another part of the lake. For example I was in a wind-blown area of the lake and bait/fish were everywhere. When I stopped and upgraded to 6.610 from 6.49 I though my unit had an issue. The place that before was loaded with life was basically blank space.  I can get it usable by turning up the sensitivity but then the screen starts to clutter and I can't seem to get rid of that.  It is also very pixelated.  There are posts with units that seem to be working fine though.  Another one of those strange glitches that are a part of this update.

 Hope it works for you and keep us posted. I assume HB follows all of these forums and any information they get is good for us end users.

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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2013, 01:41:48 PM »
 Will do Fish I,m still catching up on work from this looong winter. Won't get out for at least a week and a half, heck we still have ice and it,s May 8  ???
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Just one last cast.

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2013, 02:47:38 PM »
Rickie

Just want to make sure that readers know all units are having issues. It seems that some folks are convinced installation and settings are to blame. Too many issues being posted for that to be true.

Not really frustrated as I like my Ipilot Link and HS puck enough I can deal with the issues for now. As stated on BBC Humminbird CS has told me more than once they are aware of the problems some are reporting. 

Admit to issues in two updates in a short time period?? Highly unlikely......

I actually came looking for something else ..... lol

James, glad to see you on this site, enjoy reading your post on BBC. Hoped I had gotten away from Troy and his the nonsense.

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2013, 11:42:26 PM »
Will do Fish I,m still catching up on work from this looong winter. Won't get out for at least a week and a half, heck we still have ice and it,s May 8  ???

Ice still!!! Heck I will be in Southern MN in a couple of weeks to visit relatives and fish for awhile. I think their ice only went out a couple of weeks ago.

James

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2013, 10:20:34 AM »
Will do Fish I,m still catching up on work from this looong winter. Won't get out for at least a week and a half, heck we still have ice and it,s May 8  ???
The 2d on both my 1198 and 998hd (both new) are terrible with 6.610.  One problem I, and others, have seen is after the update it's almost like you are in another part of the lake. For example I was in a wind-blown area of the lake and bait/fish were everywhere. When I stopped and upgraded to 6.610 from 6.49 I though my unit had an issue. The place that before was loaded with life was basically blank space.  I can get it usable by turning up the sensitivity but then the screen starts to clutter and I can't seem to get rid of that.  It is also very pixelated.  There are posts with units that seem to be working fine though.  Another one of those strange glitches that are a part of this update.

 Hope it works for you and keep us posted. I assume HB follows all of these forums and any information they get is good for us end users.

James
Will do Fish I,m still catching up on work from this looong winter. Won't get out for at least a week and a half, heck we still have ice and it,s May 8  ???
the 2d on both my 998s is terrible  after update at very slow speed or not moving.very pixalated .but when i use the 360 with the 2d/360 screen its very smooth but it useless  because the scroll speed is very slow and even when i use the scroll speed adjustment  nothing changes.this needs to be fixed!i'm not a new humnbird owner.I've owned the 997 now the 998.people  please get your heads out of the holes you've put them in.these humnbird units that are running the new software are in worsted  shape that i've experienced while using humnbird units.

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2013, 11:46:29 AM »
what nonsense?  I have seen zero issues with 6.610 on either of my 1198s.  I'm actually getting better images as are a ton of people on the trail.  for every 1 person reporting problem, there are 10 loving the ner version.  your always going to see issues on the forums.  people don't come to forums to post about units with no problems.  im sorry some of you are having issues but that does not mean everyone is.  your only seeing a very small % of users posting on forums
Troy, just where do you find all the positive reviews for 6.610? Please provide a link or the forum where you are finding "for every one person reporting problem, there are 10 loving the new version" and the ton of people on the trail that you say are getting better images, who are they and where do you find their testimonials? Please provide the proof to back up what you are saying.

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2013, 01:10:14 PM »
Troy, just where do you find all the positive reviews for 6.610? Please provide a link or the forum where you are finding "for every one person reporting problem, there are 10 loving the new version" and the ton of people on the trail that you say are getting better images, who are they and where do you find their testimonials? Please provide the proof to back up what you are saying.

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2013, 12:23:49 PM »
you would have to talk to the pros in person.  they dont come to forums to post, much less just to post that everything works as it should for them

So you have no sources to back up what you are saying? Didn't think so! Just more of your NONSENSE as usual.

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2013, 09:24:58 AM »
besides my own experience, all the members of my club and all of the tour professionals who i have personally talked to, no.  there are several positive reviews on BBC and other forums.  why don't you take the time and search for them.  positive reviews are always in the minority on the internet.  people who are happy don't bother posting....people who have issues do
Troy, when you make statements like: "I'm actually getting better images as are a ton of people on the trail.  for every 1 person reporting problem, there are 10 loving the new version" then you need to be able to have proof of what you are saying. If you are actually getting better images I am happy for you but when you start saying "a ton of people on the trail and for every one person report problems there are 10 loving the new version," then you have to have something to back it up not just throw out a bunch of numbers that have no relevance. You apparently want it to sound like there are no issues when there are plenty of them. Why not take the positive approach and post what you are doing to get these great images so everyone can benefit.

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2013, 02:50:25 PM »
Quote
ITGEEK (and others I'm sure) have an 1197 but I'm not sure if he's even willing to try 6.610...

This is my thought process for doing updates:
IF anybody, from anywhere has anything negative to say about the update, then
  I DON'T DO IT.
ELSE
  I wait two months and watch and listen for problems.

IF AFTER TWO MONTHS AND NO PROBLEMS then
   I will gladly update.
The two month wait/watch clock has just started for version 6.640 ;)
« Last Edit: May 16, 2013, 02:52:28 PM by ITGEEK »

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2013, 04:12:09 PM »
This is my thought process for doing updates:
IF anybody, from anywhere has anything negative to say about the update, then
  I DON'T DO IT.
ELSE
  I wait two months and watch and listen for problems.

IF AFTER TWO MONTHS AND NO PROBLEMS then
   I will gladly update.
The two month wait/watch clock has just started for version 6.640 ;)


Will save you the wait on 1197 6.640 update:
If Chart-Speed is greater than 2, then:
  1)  2D sonar display is boxy pixels.
  2)  SI/DI become distorted.


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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2013, 08:05:02 AM »
LittleGazoo:
Thanks for the info.
Well, since the 1197 6.640 update is now shot,
I'll have to wait for the next update, and start the
wait/watch clock all over again.  This conundrum will only
end for me when I die. :-\
« Last Edit: May 17, 2013, 08:06:41 AM by ITGEEK »

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2013, 11:53:06 AM »
why?  i dont have to prove anything to you.  i could care less if you believe me or not.  i posted scans from doug.  do what you want with them.  i never said people arent having issues.  i said not everyone is having issues.  some actually think the images are better.  the 10% of owners who post on forums does not give an accurate representation of the other 90% that do not. 

My setting are the same as they have always been.  I basically use doug v's settings

the newest update seemed to make more minor improvements for some.  some are still reporting that images are not as good as 6.490.  some of us have to use the newest software to support accessories we have.  seems to me a lot more 1997 owners are having issues than 1198 owners.  maybe they should take out the changes for 360 and ipilot link and offer those as additions to the main firmware for those that need it and give us a firmware without the issues that 360 and ipilot link created.  ive halfway considered going to lowrance but they are having issues as well.
So, Troy, when you post your 10% & 90% to show the percentage of people with issues and people without issues, evidently these are percentages you just make up. No data to back up your statements. Didn't think so! You post Doug's scans and not your own and above the scans you say "wonder why some are complaining on others of us are actually getting better images with our 1198s?" Like they are your images. WOW!!!  Needless to say, you are correct in one regard, I don't believe a thing you have to say.

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2013, 05:13:30 PM »
the % numbers i used are just an example.  of course i dont have anything to back them up.  do you have anything to back yours up?  did you magically poll every single humminbird user in the world?  if you did i bet youd be very surprised.

you're obviously not very bright.  I posted and said with our 1198's because we both have 1198's!  its not rocket science.  i never claimed they were my images, your assumed that, thus making an ass of yourself.  i didnt post any of my shots because i dont take screen shots.  i mark way points and fish, not try to make pretty pictures for the internet.

you tell me in one breath that my saying some or not having issues is somehow the same as saying no one has any issues.  then you turn around basically say that since some have issues, everyone does.  pot meet kettle

ill say this one more time.  these forums do not accurately represent the owners as a whole.  only a very small % of owners post on forums.  if you believe that to be untrue you need to step away from the computer and get outside some.  for every 1 person here who complains, there are 100's more in the real world who are very happy.  how you can think that since we have 10 people here posting issues that means everyone has the same issues is beyond me
the % numbers i used are just an example.  of course i dont have anything to back them up.  do you have anything to back yours up?  did you magically poll every single humminbird user in the world?  if you did i bet youd be very surprised.

you're obviously not very bright.  I posted and said with our 1198's because we both have 1198's!  its not rocket science.  i never claimed they were my images, your assumed that, thus making an ass of yourself.  i didnt post any of my shots because i dont take screen shots.  i mark way points and fish, not try to make pretty pictures for the internet.

you tell me in one breath that my saying some or not having issues is somehow the same as saying no one has any issues.  then you turn around basically say that since some have issues, everyone does.  pot meet kettle

ill say this one more time.  these forums do not accurately represent the owners as a whole.  only a very small % of owners post on forums.  if you believe that to be untrue you need to step away from the computer and get outside some.  for every 1 person here who complains, there are 100's more in the real world who are very happy.  how you can think that since we have 10 people here posting issues that means everyone has the same issues is beyond me

Troy, I knew you didn't have anything to back up what you were saying. Glad you finally admitted it. I didn't quote any percentages or numbers so don't try and make it sound like did. You were the one spouting all the numbers (1 to 10), percentages (10% to 90%), and (Ton of people on the trail) so I was curious where you found all that information.

Troy, I did not assume anything. You posted the shots yourself and did not identify them as being made by Doug. That did not come to light until you admitted they were not yours. Normally people post their own shots. Because you and Doug both have 1198 and you said "our" doesn't connect you to Doug, maybe just in your own mind. Why would anyone connect you and Doug because I see Doug as a very knowledgeable guy that is a tremendous help to people and you on the other hand just run off at the mouth and that is not an assumption. How anyone would connect the two of you is beyond my comprehension.

Here is what I said so you can read it again," You apparently want it to sound like there are no issues when there are plenty of them." How do you get "pot meet kettle"
from that? Do you just make this stuff up as you go?

You don't have to say anything one more time for me because what you continue to say has no relevance since you have no data to back it up. WOW, I see you have up the numbers: "for every 1 person here who complains, there are 100's more in the real world who are very happy." Just where did you find that? Wait, you don't have to tell me, I know it came from the same place as the all the rest. Straight out of your A**!!! You really need to get some help!!!

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2013, 10:03:53 AM »
OK, we need to calm this down a little and all be respectfull of each other.  Even if you disagree with someones post, do not turn it into an argument or bash session.

I will make this statement though.  I cannot give you exact numbers, but the few who report issues on the forum are minimal to the number of users who have no issues at all. 

I will update my unit regardless and then go back if I need to.  But that does not mean everyone needs to follow that. 

Update only if you have issues that may be fixed or new features come out that you would need or want.

I also only update using the "Restore Default method".  This has proven to be the best method for performing updates by far.

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2013, 12:34:23 PM »
The following is part of the post from another thread on this site posted by ITGEEK!

"I know it's a bad time for lots of users.
I have faith that Humminbird will eventually work out all
the problems.
As an end-user, I have to trust the people that made the
product.
The good news is that these complaints aren't going unnoticed.
Humminbird is going to have to step up and get a handle on these
updates if they want to stay in business.  We know that, and
they know that."

+1

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Re: AS GPS HS - ThumbsUp .... 6.610 - ThumbsDown
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2013, 11:16:05 AM »
The following is part of the post from another thread on this site posted by ITGEEK!

"I know it's a bad time for lots of users.
I have faith that Humminbird will eventually work out all
the problems.
As an end-user, I have to trust the people that made the
product.
The good news is that these complaints aren't going unnoticed.
Humminbird is going to have to step up and get a handle on these
updates if they want to stay in business.  We know that, and
they know that."

+1

I'm back. Visting son in Seoul was sure fun.

+1. 

I really believe HB will fix these problems.  But we also have to realize older unit's slower processors are a limitation.
I'm not looking to add 360-Imaging or NEMA to my 1197.  The AS-GPS-HS would be very nice, as would the improved sonar algorithms.

It's also frustrating reading that users perform a software update and have problems, then perform the update again and fix the problems.  This is something in a computer that must be fixed.  I've work most of my life in multi-million dollar data centers where downtime on a mainframe is measured at $10k/minute.  You reboot the mainframe, you better guarantee it will come up working.
You reboot, you've wiped-the-board, you've gone to a clean-slate, you've returned to a foundation.  You better be a good foundation.

My 1197(with 6.640) & 998(with 6.680) both have images not as good as earlier software releases.  1197 DI images "might" be better.  The 1197 SI and 2D are not.  998 SI/DI images are better.  The 2D is not.

I can workaround the 2D images by setting Chart-Speed = 1 or 2.  Since I drop-shot, this is not good as image refresh is too slow. 
You can see this from my earlier 2D image post.  Slight pixilation did not occur until CS around 8-10 on earlier software on my units.  I would like to see someone post a 1198 2-D screenshot with a slow & fast Chart-Speed.







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