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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2012, 03:53:40 PM »
$3,000.00 =HB 1198
  2,000.00 =360 Scan Transducer stick
       90.00 =Switch
$5,290.00 =TOTAL

I can see the long lines and record sales allready!

To bad softwere bugs in all the other units was not fixed first or fixing the POP APART Big Foot transducer first.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2012, 04:05:42 PM by sonar2000 »
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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2012, 04:18:18 PM »
Here is the one I was thinking about :...from Rickard....

http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=1308.msg7040#msg7040


PER....I would like to know more on the operation and how it does this also......(the 360 addition)

Chuck


Chuck, that was the one Iwas thinking off.  Thx.
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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2012, 06:03:27 AM »
Since some of you have mentioned the sector scanning method that was developed by Juha Hartikka and me three years ago I think I should give the link to where that work was presented in detail:
http://www.xumba.scholleco.com/viewtopic.php?t=851
This method involves alot of after processing and has very little practical value to a fisherman. But it's a very useful method for any application when time is not an issue like for example when making closeups from difficult archaeological targets. It's also the only working method at large depth, at more than 20 m (60 ft) depth no hull mounted or surface bound transducer can show e. g. details like a drowning victim. The rotaded-hanging-heavy-transducer-with-after-processing method has several drawbacks, but the images are usually very clear. Also, all you need is an SI-unit with recording capability.
I congratulate all those who fish moderately deep waters (and can afford the 360 add-on) - I think HB is offering them something that will make some people think: "How could I live without it, how come I wasn't aware of my own needs...?" (Remember, this happened with cellphones and PCs.)

Congratulations!
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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2012, 12:21:45 PM »
I wonder why the screen is not being used to full advanage?   While the circle for range is important, there is allot of "black" space that can show more data, even if it is blurry.   Maybe, since it is an ethernet device and not a transducer connected, it strips the data, to keep bandwidth down? 

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2012, 04:07:47 PM »
 Have been studing the new HB 360 add on. It looks to be quite large also it definitely will have a place in
 the great under water world of seek and destroy. In case you are wondering we are fortunate to be
 living at the moment when two giants are battling over dominancey of the marine electronics world and I know
 who the winner is. Until I see one in action or use one myself. I will not make any comments. Greg can youy find
 out what the weight of this unit is ?  I have already figured out what I would do to enhance the unit if I had one.
   Thanks    Gary
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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2012, 04:37:02 PM »
Good question on weight Gary.  I asked that a bit back. Maybe they have not weighed it yet... ;D
Dont know who will win this small end sonar battle.....But there is a fight going on.  I hope it will end soon.  We need some stable products for a while....
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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2012, 07:30:56 PM »
Roddy, why would you need a switch for this setup?

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2012, 07:46:33 PM »
$3,000.00 =HB 1198
  2,000.00 =360 Scan Transducer stick
       90.00 =Switch
$5,290.00 =TOTAL

I can see the long lines and record sales allready!

To bad softwere bugs in all the other units was not fixed first or fixing the POP APART Big Foot transducer first.
  Roddey the price on the switch is spot on.

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #58 on: February 26, 2012, 07:10:53 PM »
I hope HB offers a 5 year warranty on the new 360 unit. If you get out of open water you are definitely
going to be working on bent or broken shafts and possible transom damage.

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #59 on: February 26, 2012, 07:15:01 PM »
Exactly...I might not put this in the water unless the boat was sitting still....
Maybe this is how it is supposed to be used..

I talked with Roddy and he was trying to figure a way to put it on his kayak.... ;D

I asked him to post picture if he did...

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #60 on: February 26, 2012, 09:15:35 PM »
What is the switch for?

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #61 on: February 27, 2012, 12:10:13 AM »
The thing is for stand still 360. At $2,000.00 a transducer not to many people can afford to replace transducer and transone, so you need a second transducer for running and SI.

Add $200.00 more. New total $5,500.00!

Sales are  going to be just out of sight!!

Roddy
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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #62 on: February 27, 2012, 04:48:25 AM »
The thing is for stand still 360. At $2,000.00 a transducer not to many people can afford to replace transducer and transone, so you need a second transducer for running and SI.

Add $200.00 more. New total $5,500.00!

Sales are  going to be just out of sight!!

Roddy

Pro bass tournament fishermen have sponsors with deep pockets ...

It's obvious HB has "innovated" this groundbreaking technology completely out of the regular fisherman's realm of affordability...

There is no illusion who HB's target market is...

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #63 on: February 27, 2012, 07:36:41 AM »
What happened ? Couple years back I was Ranten an Raven to HB or any one that would listen
about why did HB quit making the GRHA antenna for there units. For those of you that don't
know the GRHA antenna was guaranteed accuracy within 1 meter for finding a waypoint or
returning to a brush pile,etc. The antenna we currently have is rated for accuracy within 3 meters.
Big difference. Here HB has the leading technology for accuracy an they gave it up or don't even
make it available period .Why because they said customers were not willing to pay the extra
50.00 for the most accurate antenna available. Or as an add on they did not sell.Now just remember
we are talking about GPS and Accuracy is everything that is why the satelite you are receiving signals from have
the most accurate clocks in the world so why would you not want the most accurate receiver
available.I am not quite following the line of thought HB has with the new 360 they pulled off
the shelf's the GRHA antenna the Worlds most accurate Receiver for HB'S that every customer
could benefit from because of a 50.00 price tag.And put a 360 degree Add on Transducer on the shelf with a
2,000.00 dollar price tag that only a select few can use or benefit . Sorry about all the Ranting.
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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #64 on: February 27, 2012, 07:57:31 AM »
I question weather you will need the switch. I think its more than coincidence that they just came out with a 5 port eithernet hub. I'm guessing this will plug in to the hub. but then you will need to buy it, instead of switch.
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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #65 on: February 27, 2012, 12:41:34 PM »
Gary, you have hit the nail on the head.... :P
It is all about the stockholders.
And those with money.
What I dont understand is how this will support those people. :o
The little guy is being left behind..

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #66 on: February 27, 2012, 12:57:35 PM »
If you look at the Pro Bass fishermen, the sponsors have gotten stingy.
The Pros used to have the biggest sonar screens.
Now, they have very small ones.

But,
Pro Bass fishing is what drives fishing sonar technology.
So, it's good to keep those guys happy.

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #67 on: February 27, 2012, 01:02:14 PM »
Reading between the lines, I don't think the transducer is connected to the unit.  I think data is sent via ethernet.  If you had more than one head unit, you would need an ethernet hub/switch.

I agree that this is targeted toward upper end TX fishermen.  But, a 1100 series SI at $3K, people said the same thing on its introduction.   If it is successful, it wouldn't surprise me if they released a lower cost, manual deploy type 360.   Also, if it is not plagued with other problems, the TX guys will probably eat this up.  What's a couple $K when the rig is already $50K?  If it doesn't sell, it will be dropped, just like the GPS. 

To me, it is normal to see the new, high development cost items, target the upper end of the market, before trying to sell it to the mid or lower end.  By time one is in my range, all the bugs will be worked out!  :) 

 

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #68 on: February 27, 2012, 01:09:47 PM »
I never heard of this GRHA antenna...But I wouldn't think twice about dumping an Xtra 50 bucks for that kinda guaranteed accuracy

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #69 on: February 27, 2012, 01:37:06 PM »
I never heard of this GRHA antenna...But I wouldn't think twice about dumping an Xtra 50 bucks for that kinda guaranteed accuracy

It was $50 more than the "standard" 50-channel receiver when purchased seperate.  It was not a $50 upgrade option when you purchased the unit.   I have the standard and GHRA versions.  In practice, the standard one performs better than the claimed spec, and very close to the GHRA.  Your milage and location may vary.   

PS: What does your estimated error run at?  On the water, my standard receiver is in the 2-3' est error.   If I am using it for plotting property lines, under a tree canopy, I have had it up to 7-8'. 
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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #70 on: February 27, 2012, 03:49:37 PM »
Point being about the GRHA Reciever which I also own both styles inside that dome there can't be 10.00 difference
in electronics parts. Also the GRHA Reciever should be HB standard reciever on every unit they sell.  Gary

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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #71 on: February 28, 2012, 02:06:16 PM »
I think when the GRHA GPS receiver came out, the economy was really terrible.
People didn't have the money to spend on luxury items, such as fishing sonars.
Most likely a corporate decision was made to not offer the more expensive GPS receiver over
the standard one.

Used to be that the flagship model of Humminbird was always first in the catalogs.
It's not anymore.  The mid priced models most likely out sell the high-end units.
Look for the 1198 and it won't be the first model you see listed.
It's just a sign of the times.
You can't blame Humminbird for offering what most likely will sell at a given time.
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Re: New HB annoucement
« Reply #72 on: February 28, 2012, 05:44:37 PM »
Sorry, changed my mind after reading the rest of the posts here.  I did not notice that this was a RB&G post.

« Last Edit: February 28, 2012, 05:52:22 PM by Humminbird_Greg »
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