Topic: What comes with the 878CI

[Tomkat07]

HB898CI
Does this unit come stock with gps, weather and some kind of chart map/plot without paying extra?
Does it need to be the Combo to have what I'm looking for?
Also how long are the stock cables the come with the unit?

Thanks in advance fellas. I have never owned a side/down image unit so I don't know what's involved. But I do know weather and chart plot with it would be awesome.

[sonar2000]

HB898CI
Does this unit come stock with gps, weather and some kind of chart map/plot without paying extra?
Does it need to be the Combo to have what I'm looking for?
Also how long are the stock cables the come with the unit?

Thanks in advance fellas. I have never owned a side/down image unit so I don't know what's involved. But I do know weather and chart plot with it would be awesome.

You will get an internal antenna for GPS. No weather as this is an add on feature. You will get a very basic map. Not a lot olf detail on it..
In orderf to get an external antenna you will need a model that does not have an i in the name.  (798ci)
Getting a combo will not get you weather or map card.  those are add ons and cost extra.

Chuck

[Tomkat07]

So what's this mean about track and chart plot?
That the standard mapping stuff your talking about?
I see now where the weather etc is optional. Are those monthly fee's or one time cost?


The 898c SI Combo features a brilliant color, ultra-high resolution 480V x 800H 7" display, Side Imaging and DualBeam PLUS sonar with 8000 Watts PTP* power output, GPS Chartplotting with built-in ContourXD mapping, and advanced Fishing System capabilities. In addition, it includes dual card slots for maps and saving waypoints, as well as 3 programmable preset buttons to save your favorite views. Maximize your angling experience with the Humminbird 898c SI Combo fishfinder GPS system.
*To obtain 8000 watts PTP requires the use of the optional 1kW (8000watt) transducer.

Features

ADVANCED SONAR FEATURES
Freeze Frame with ability to Mark Structure on Sonar
Instant Image Update
Real Time Sonar RTS Window
Selective Fish ID
Sonar Echo Enhancement
Sonar Recording
Sonar Snapshot
Split Screen Zoom
TrueArch Technology
Wide Narrow Cone Split Screen

USER-FRIENDLY TECHNOLOGY
Custom Digital Readout Selection
Custom View Selections
Large Digits View
Selectable Background
Temperature Alarm
Triplog
X Press Menu System

Specs

Display Size: 7.0" diagonal
Display Pixel Matrix: 480V x 800H
Display Type: Color TFT
Display Colors/Grayscale: 65,000 Colors
DualBeam PLUS
Sonar Coverage 200 kHz / 20 @ -10db
83 kHz / 60 @ -10db
Side Imaging & Down Imaging
Sonar Coverage 455 kHz / (2) 86 @ -10db
800 kHz / (2) 55 @ -10db
Target Separation: 2.5 inches
Power Output (RMS): 1,000 Watts (RMS)
Power Output (Peak to Peak): 8,000 Watts (Peak-to-Peak)
Temperature: Included
Speed: GPS Speed Included
Backlight: Yes
Waterproof: Yes
Mount: Gimbal
Unit Size: 11" W x 6" H x 4" D
Mount: Optional In-dash
Unit Size: 11" W x 6" H x 2" D
Transducer - Standard: XHS-9-HDSI-180-T (INCLUDED)
Transducer Mounting: Transom
Power Input: 10-20 VDC

Overview

Display
7.0" diagonal
480V x 800H
Color TFT

Memory
Waypoints: 3,000
Routes: 50
Tracks: 50 w/ 20,000 points each

Sonar
DualBeam PLUS
200 kHz / 20 @ -10db
83 kHz / 60 @ -10db
Depth: 1500 ft.

Side Imaging & Down Imaging
455 kHz / (2) 86 @ -10db
800 kHz / (2) 55 @ -10db
Depth: 150 ft.
180 total coverage Power Output
1,000 Watts (RMS)
8,000 Watts (Peak-to-Peak)

GPS Features
50 Channel GPS
Trackplotting
Chartplotting
GPS Speed
Humminbird Contour XD
Navionics Compatability
LakeMaster Comptability

Network Modules
WeatherSense (optional)
Wireless Sonar Link (optional)
CannonLink (optional)
InterLink (optional)

Warranty
One Year

[sonar2000]

You will have base level charts and the unit will display tracks as you move around.
The charts are basic and do not contain the details of a purchased map.
You can work with your tracks and waypoints on the unit.

Chuck

[Humminbird_Greg]

Tomkat07,
I think that Sonar2000 was mislead by the subject you posted for the thread.  We don’t have a 878ci unit; but if we did it would be an internal GPS unit.

In the text of your message you mentioned the 898c Si unit.  It does come with an external GPS (and is considered a Combo unit (combination sonar + GPS).  This unit is available both as a full model (unit + GPS Receiver + transducer) and as a “CHO” (unit + GPS Receiver but NO transducer).

The stock GPS Receiver has a 20 foot cable as does the stock transom mount transducer.  The power cable is 6 feet long.

The stock unit does not come with any weather accessory.  These are an extra purchase as Sonar2000 explained.  I don’t know which weather accessory you are looking at or where you are seeing this but I can tell you that the WeatherSense Barometer does not have a service fee where the XM Nav Weather accessory does.  You would have to check with XM/Sirus as to what fees they charge.

The standard maps (assuming a Domestic or U.S. version unit here) are the ContourXD maps.  Depending on what lakes you will be on will depend on what detail level they will have.  These can be augmented by use of the appropriate Navionics or LakeMaster mapping card(s).

Not sure what you are wanting to know about this: “So what's this mean about track and chart plot?”

[sonar2000]

Here is a forum post on weathersense

http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=145.msg323#msg323

Chuck

[sonar2000]

I think the 7XX is the only internal antenna for GPS.
I need new glasses,  the subject is 878....I just saw the CI part. 
Chuck

[ITGEEK]

The XM weather is through Sirius, http://www.siriusxm.com/
The "SKYWATCH" package is the only package available.
It's $9.95 a month, with a small startup fee.
It was hell initially getting it set-up (multiple phone calls to/from India ), but since then, it's worked great.

I use it, and I'm very impressed with it.
I can sit in my garage and get the latest weather.

You'll have to first purchase the Humminbird XM Satellite Receiver, part #407470-1.
Then hook that to your unit, then call Sirius and give them your XM id number.
The XM id number will show up on your unit, once it recognizes the XM receiver.

[Tomkat07]

Greg I will be mostly lake Houston and trinity river. So the maps may be good enough I'm hoping.
Not really too concerned on weather since it is extra.

Also sorry guys I miss labeled the unit I'm interested in.
It is the 898C SI

[Humminbird_Greg]

Would that be Lake Houston and the Trinity River in Texas?
I look at the list of lakes and rivers covered by the 2012 Navionics Premium Southmap card.  Lake Houston is listed as a High definition lake (1 foot depth contours) but it did not list anything for the Trinity River.  So later on you might want to look at getting this mapping card for the detail on the lake but unless they add the info for the Trinity River you are stuck with whatever base information is in the unit (or map card if you end up buying one).

[Tomkat07]

Ok thanks

[Tomkat07]

Yes Greg in Texas.


If you buy Navtronics or Lake Master.
Is it a monthly charge or you just purchase it and use it all you want?

Also I'm finally understanding the difference in the 898C SI & DI units.
I would rather the SI to have down and side scan .

[Humminbird_Greg]

The mapping cards are buy them and use them all you want.
Having said that: I don’t know what the future for these companies holds as Navionics is offering some type of map card update right now.  Does anyone know anything about that?

[ITGEEK]

I saw something on that:
If you buy a new map card, you can get free updates on it for a year or
something like that.

[wolfs4evr]

My Navionics card (West AZ-NV) that I purchased in September is that way.  Free updates for a year.  After a year I am not sure what happens as far as getting updates.

[Tomkat07]

But how much would really change in a year tho to warrant getting an update?
Guess the question might be silly since I have not seen the maps yet.

[Humminbird_Greg]

Tomkat07, while I am no means an authority on the Navionics map cards I did look at the lists I had for these for the last several years.  What I noticed was that while there may not have been a significant increase in the numbers of lakes covered (I looked at only the Premium South map card data); the number of lakes that are covered in their High Definition surveys has increased.  This means 1 foot depth contours and that the data is fairly new and not derived from an old survey (our lake data was 30+ years old before they surveyed it).  So I guess that the major gain would be a high definition survey of the lake(s) that you fish.

[Tomkat07]

Ok that makes sense. Thank you

[ITGEEK]

I also understand that users of the maps report
map offset errors, and that a number of fixes/updates can be applied to
existing maps.

[Tomkat07]

Can the 898c si. Scroll backwards so you can set a waypoint on something you passed?

[sonar2000]

I dont think so.  If you have recording on you can play back. and set a point
You might try this..
Stop the display and move your cursor to the point you want if it is still on the screen.
You should be able to snapshot and this will create a waypoint also..
You might try the above and just waypoint instead of snapshot.

If I can get on the lake today I will try this..also..

chuck

[Humminbird_Greg]

Tomkat07,
The sonar does not scroll backwards (if it is off the screen it is gone) but the maps (Charts) can be.  Not sure that is what you are wanting though.

[Tomkat07]

Ok Lorance can scroll backwards to be able to set a waypoint.
But that's not too mich of a issue.

However I did see a video of a guy explaining how to use the HB SI and he was saying you can record your scan. Go home and play the scan back and tweak your settings to get the best image.
How true is this? He said since it records raw data you can do this to help you learn to tweak settings.

[sonar2000]

For new users it is great to record and then go back and play with the settings.  Good way to learn the unit capabilities.

Chuck

[Tomkat07]

Ok so it does allow this. That's perfect!
I'm impressed with that alone.
Not being able to scroll back and set a waypoint is not an issue.

[sonar2000]

Tom...something else to consider for waypoint is once you have recorded and it is on the sd card you can also post review the scan with an external program such as Humviewer.
Playback on the unit is a bit slow but does offer the ability to play with handson learning.
Reviewing a recording on an external viewer lets you find the point or place faster.. and you can set waypoints from there.
Of course this mean swapping in and out the sd card.
but a lot of good features are available with and for the HB unit..
You can get the humviewer from the internet on Martins site.   And it is free..
http://humviewer.cm-johansen.dk/
Chuck

[ITGEEK]

I do not believe for one second that Lowrance units can scroll backwards in real time.
That would require the constant saving of real-time sonar images to memory/sd card.

The person you talked to must have been talking about reviewing a sonar recording on
a Lowrance unit.

On HB units, at any time in real time, you can push one of the arrow buttons to freeze the
screen, then place the cursor at any place you wish to create a waypoint, the press mark.

[Tomkat07]

There is a video of a guy doing it with a Lorance unit.

Specs on the unit state.
It offers the exclusive TrackBack™ feature for simultaneous scroll-back of sonar and chartplotter "history" to set waypoints.


This video I seen and what it says sure looks and sounds like what it does.
I looks and sounds like a duck.

[ITGEEK]

Yea, but it don't act like a duck:
Found it:

Lowrance’s premier TrackBack™ functionality allows HDS Gen2 users to scroll-back in the "recorded history" of Broadband Sounder or StructureScan sonar imaging to review structure or fish targets and pinpoint locations with a waypoint.

The key here is "recorded history".

[Tomkat07]

Point being it can scroll back so you can set a waypoint.
I knew I seen that correctly. And also you are correct in order to do this the unit will need a higher speed processor or RAM/memory. Or store to the SD Card to have somewhere to keep the history. No different then how a computer would work really. Also I'm fairly certain at some point the history is overwritten at a certain time or size limit built into the software design.

Anyhow I doubt that alone would make me change my mind about getting a Hummingbird. You can still freeze the screen and set a waypoint or drive back over the same area to mark it. Or by long & lat coords from a screen shot.
If it looks like a good spot your going to waypoint it then, instead of thinking about it anyway. Or atleast I would.

[ITGEEK]

Point being that as of now, a Lowrance unit has nothing over
a Humminbird unit.
Both units can scroll back and forward through pre-recordings, only.
Repeat, only if you have recorded the data already.

Neither can scroll backwards in real time.

Both units represent the state of the art in sonar for the
recreational fishermen.

You couldn't go wrong with either one.

Good Luck with your decision.

[Tomkat07]

Yeah I agree with that, and I'm still going for the HB .

[dkibat]

is it true ?? i have heard that lowrance technology is purchased from Humminbird and just changes the name of the things it does.

[sonar2000]

dont know the exact status but there was a difference of opinion between Low and Hb over who was on 1st and what was on 2nd.
Sonar is a open technology so whether you build a sidescan or a side image or a structure scan is immaterial as long as you dont infringe on patent rights.

chuck

[ITGEEK]

I don't think that Lowrance purchased any technology from HB.
Sidescan technology has been around for years, except on
a much bigger scale.

What Humminbird did FIRST, was to offer it to recreational fisherman by means
of a boat mounted transducer (not a towfish).
Humminbird then applied for a Patent.

Before the Patent was issued, Lowrance copied what Humminbird did and
called it StructureScan.

Humminbird then sued Lowrance, once they obtained the Patent.

We have to thank Lowrance for quickly coming up with Down-Scan.
As you well know, Humminbird quickly copied that, and called it Down-Imaging.

The more these companies fight it out, the better the sonars we will have
offered to us.  I say let them keep duking it out.

[sonar2000]

+1
Chuck