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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #100 on: April 16, 2014, 02:44:08 PM »
Thanks for the info Greg! I will refrain from looking and trying to figure out why it doesn't work for a while!

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #101 on: April 17, 2014, 03:11:50 AM »
I have a question.

I Pilot Link use a file .hit and since 1 years i waiting to use my i pilot link of the contour line.

Now autochart is compatible with this extented ? Is possible to create a map in autochart and use my I pilot link contour on the water ?

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #102 on: April 17, 2014, 07:20:25 AM »
That is what they are advertising. However, You will need an update for your 998 before it will work with autochart. Notes in the update release say it will not be until July for the  xx8 units. The track record on this kind of thing is not one you can count on. Bob

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #103 on: April 17, 2014, 09:51:16 AM »
Terrible45,
Yes, you will be able to use "follow the contour" feature with the ipilot Link like you would with a typical Lakemaster map. 

Also, in the program you can draw a custom line and save them as iTrack (.hit) files.  So you could essentially draw any sort of line you want, for your trolling motor to follow while on the water.


I believe there are ways to use some of these features before the update for the units to use the autochart sd card come out.  For example, track files and iPilot iTracks would work whether they are on the zerolines SD card, or any generic SD card you picked up from a retail store. 

You can export depth contour lines as track files.  Put them on any SD card, and the depth contours would appear as track files on your Humminbird.

I believe you can export iPilot itracks the same way.

Don't quote me on that until I try it out, but I'm pretty sure that will work, while we wait for the software updates to roll out for the XX8 series depthfinders.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #104 on: April 17, 2014, 04:36:25 PM »
Hello everybody,

Good news from the Netherlands, today I received my AutoChart Pro with the European Zero lines map card.
At this time I have installed it on my home PC and on the onboard notebook.
My data/records from DrDepth en the Humminbirdfile can be loaded easily. The same goes for the side Imaging records for using mozaiek.

With the package I received a schedule for the new software updates;

- 21 april 2014: 1199CI HD SI, 999CI HD SI, 899CI HD SI, 1159CI HD DI, 959CI HD DI, 859CI HD Di, 1159CI HD, 959CI HD, 859CI HD

- 1 may 2014: Onix

- 5 may 2014: 600 series

- 14 may 2014: 1198C HD SI, 998C HD SI, 898C HD SI

- 26 may 2014: 1158C HD DI, 958C HD DI, 858C HD DI

I thought I should share this information with you.

Kind regards,

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #105 on: April 17, 2014, 04:39:14 PM »
Still no official word on the 700 series?

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #106 on: April 17, 2014, 04:40:58 PM »
Not that I have heard.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #107 on: April 17, 2014, 04:44:31 PM »
Great news, Bert
Can clarify coverage the European Zero  lines. Desirable screenshot
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #108 on: April 17, 2014, 05:06:56 PM »
I can clarify, that if your lake isn't covered, you can create your own shoreline data to use.  It contains instructions how to do it in the manual.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #109 on: April 17, 2014, 05:27:03 PM »
Hello Navionic,

2 snapshot's from AutoChart Pro.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #110 on: April 17, 2014, 05:58:32 PM »
No dates on the pre-HD **8's. Hmmm. That sucks.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #111 on: April 17, 2014, 06:40:29 PM »
I was told June or July when I called the other day for my 798.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #112 on: April 21, 2014, 09:53:18 AM »
Guys,
Made my first Map yesterday with this software. For the most part it seems pretty easy. We went through a learning curve on how fast you can go. We recorded sonar data to get bottom hardness and the SI mosaic. That meant we went around 5-6MPH to record it. I gotta say, finding he bottom hardness of the lake is amazing. We were seeing fish in the spots that showed up as harder bottom areas. That is pretty convincing. The SI mosaic is less impressive in my opinion. Recording for the SI Mosaic is going to take some practice to not overlap. Being able to see the lake in 3D when finished brings a whole new look to lakes I have been fishing for years.

Couple questions for the guys that have been mapping for a while. What speeds have you found to be the the best for getting good accurate readings? What spacing from your last track are you doing for your coverage? Coverage of the 2D sonar is where I get hazy. I can't visualize the area of coverage in my head yet. I know I will have more questions, but that is all for now! Seems to be a great program!

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #113 on: April 21, 2014, 03:51:22 PM »
That software release list from RedBad is quite interesting.

I wonder if the exclusion of any XX7 units means that they will not be supported, or that the releases of all the newer units is such a big job that they don't want to give any ETA for older units.


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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #114 on: April 21, 2014, 04:21:23 PM »
That software release list from RedBad is quite interesting.

I wonder if the exclusion of any XX7 units means that they will not be supported, or that the releases of all the newer units is such a big job that they don't want to give any ETA for older units.

That's a good question.  An official list of all of the units that will support Autochart would go a long way in clearing up the murky mess Humminbird is leaving users of their older units in.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #115 on: April 21, 2014, 04:28:57 PM »
This kind of thing is probably why "the other guys" just call a unit obsolete.   When you add a new feature, there are getting to be a LOT of models to make that update to.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #116 on: April 22, 2014, 09:24:14 AM »
Here is the lake that was mapped on Sunday.  Contours with the bottom hardness overlay.

-Cory

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #117 on: April 22, 2014, 11:30:29 AM »
So the deepest part of the lake is also has the hardest bottom?
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #118 on: April 22, 2014, 11:49:08 AM »
That's what it looks like to me.  I can confirm that the areas on the outside that show that they are harder are indeed correct.  I may take a push pole out next time and check some of the shallow areas next time.  I may be reading the bottom hardness wrong, but I was under the impression that the warmer areas were the hardest returns.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #119 on: April 22, 2014, 11:59:53 AM »
That's what I understand too Cory. 
The little gauge on the lower right hand corner shows the same thing.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #120 on: April 22, 2014, 12:01:06 PM »
Seems like an odd phenomena as you would expect the lighter particulates to settle and not be disrupted as much in the deeper parts of the lake.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #121 on: April 22, 2014, 12:25:25 PM »
You can change the color palatte for bottom hardness also.  There are about 5 palettes to pick from, or you can use your own custom.  I was playing around with 3D and bottom hardness on my program last night. 

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #122 on: April 22, 2014, 02:54:52 PM »
Very thanks Bert for your retourn on this aplication.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #123 on: April 22, 2014, 03:48:13 PM »
That's what I understand too Cory. 
The little gauge on the lower right hand corner shows the same thing.

Greg, I know I read in the Manual that you can calibrate the hardness, but I haven't been able to figure that out yet. You can also calibrate placement of the Gps puck relative to the ducer by measureing how many cm the puck or unit is from the transducer to get the most accurate readings. Finer points to be tweaked!

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #124 on: April 22, 2014, 05:11:10 PM »
Greg, I know I read in the Manual that you can calibrate the hardness, but I haven't been able to figure that out yet. You can also calibrate placement of the Gps puck relative to the ducer by measureing how many cm the puck or unit is from the transducer to get the most accurate readings. Finer points to be tweaked!

-Cory

Also, the angle at which your transducer is pointing makes a difference.  Maybe not so much in 5-10ft of water, but the deeper you go, the more this would become an issue.  For example, if you were going back and forth over a hump, and your transducer is pointing somewhat forward, the transducer would read that hump sooner and drop off sooner going one direction.  Then when you go across it the other direction, it would read sooner from the other side. 

Hope that makes sense...

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #125 on: April 23, 2014, 01:00:39 PM »
Greg, I know I read in the Manual that you can calibrate the hardness, but I haven't been able to figure that out yet. You can also calibrate placement of the Gps puck relative to the ducer by measureing how many cm the puck or unit is from the transducer to get the most accurate readings. Finer points to be tweaked!

-Cory

I was waiting for some on water data from our lake here before I started playing with the program Cory, so I haven’t tried that yet.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #126 on: April 24, 2014, 01:42:19 PM »
Still no official word on the 700 series?

i emailed deb directly and had her answer on BBC

Quote from: HBirdDeborahCRC;4764763
New One, We do intend to support the 798ci HD SI with AutoChart but we do not have a firm release date at this time. Our plan is to have it available by the end of August but again, this is a tentative date, not a firm date.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #127 on: April 24, 2014, 02:11:38 PM »
Looking for more specific information on the differences between using recorded data vs. live data to create maps.  The use manual elaborates on the use of live data to include SI and 360 mosaics, but makes no mention about that for recorded data.  How does that work?

Has anyone used live data?  I am going to get started this weekend and thinking of getting laptop to the boat, if the "AS CE CHART" cable arrives in time.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #128 on: April 24, 2014, 02:29:04 PM »
Pyma6,
I have not used "live data" yet, but have messed around with the side imaging mosaic. You can load it into your map with the side imaging settings in the program. I used the replay si option on my maps and watched the images load up as the replay progressed. Recording for a good mosaic has eluded me so far as I have trouble keeping from overlapping and skewing the picture.

Where did you get your AE CHART cable from? Are they around $50-$60? I want to pick one up at some point.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #129 on: April 24, 2014, 03:49:50 PM »
there are 2 ways to get live data  nema  for 2d  map and ethernet will show sidescan mosaic live...
if you do a search on this forum for DR Depth ... etc there is plenty of good info right here
there are even DIY and pics of the cables you will need ...not that hard i made my own

and yes  with sidescan it is dissicult to get good overlay as you need to be precise with the path u use to collect data,
u must have no sharp turns and keep each path as straight as possible...
search the forum you will be suprised as to the amount of info on DRDepth whish is  basically same program
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #130 on: April 25, 2014, 10:19:02 AM »
Amazon sells the "EC CHART" cable through iP CAMERA STORE.  True, you can make your own by taking a spare EC xxE ethernet cable, cut one end and install a RJ45 connector per CAT5/6 wire color code specification. You will need a RJ45 crimper tool. Also, provided that Humminbird has complied to this same specification in their EC xxE cables.

I'll look into the info on SI mosaics in this forum.  But, as stated by others, I see the most useful information coming from accurate depth maps and bottom hardness detail.  BTW, I fish for walleye and crappie at a relatively shallow lake - Pymatuning, PA/OH.

How do you guys anticipate correcting/calibrating for varying lake depth? I envision adding detail to my maps as the season progresses, while water level is changing.  At the moment, my lake is high but by summer could drop 6-8 feet out of 30-35 feet.  How about setting a waypoint and measuring depth there each time new data are recorded?  For me, could be at the mooring spot.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #131 on: April 25, 2014, 02:42:57 PM »
pyma6

  I agree with you on the depth/hardness info on that lake. With so much of the lake being the same or gradual depth change, a mosaic might not
  be the best use of your time. I just hope you don't stumble onto "secret spot".

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #132 on: April 25, 2014, 02:58:05 PM »
i agree neat pics on sidescan but laboir intensive  the bottom harsdess module will be more useful....
ps  additional zeroline cards are now available on lakemap.com $99
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #133 on: May 09, 2014, 02:34:03 PM »
I read through the manual someone linked here and am not seeing any way to export any of the data. I'm looking at Reefmaster but am not entirely happy with how it interpolates so much. This program looks amazing with the hardness and 1ft contour mapping. I just need a way to get the data out and into my mapping programs so I can do analysis with it.
Anyone know if there will ever be export functions such as out to ESRI grids? Even exporting the contours would be nice.
Thanks.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #134 on: May 11, 2014, 01:16:54 PM »
Xyian,
You can control how much Reefmaster interpolates, down to a 25m minimum distance and also adjust the map grid smoothing down if you are losing too much detail. From my experience with DrDepth (which is almost identical to Autochart), you won't get significantly different results than ReefMaster with the same data; if the data is not there, then you can interpolate between the data that is, or choose not to if you prefer to have a blank spot.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #135 on: May 12, 2014, 12:44:14 PM »
I read through the manual someone linked here and am not seeing any way to export any of the data. I'm looking at Reefmaster but am not entirely happy with how it interpolates so much. This program looks amazing with the hardness and 1ft contour mapping. I just need a way to get the data out and into my mapping programs so I can do analysis with it.
Anyone know if there will ever be export functions such as out to ESRI grids? Even exporting the contours would be nice.
Thanks.
Autochart is done doing map for Humminbird, Reefmaster is more open to send your data to other soft or get data from other mark of sounder.
If your log your collect are good you normaly get the same result!
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #136 on: May 12, 2014, 01:27:26 PM »
Autochart is done doing map for Humminbird, Reefmaster is more open to send your data to other soft or get data from other mark of sounder.
If your log your collect are good you normaly get the same result!
The best is to get the both soft!!

HUH?  What? 

Here's what I think you were trying to say, but it was pretty confusing....
I think you were trying to say that AutoChart is now a Humminbird software program, and only compatible with Humminbirds. 

Whereas Reefmaster is more open and can accept a variety of data recordings from different brand depthfinders.
As long as you collect your data well, you get he same result whether using Humminbird's AutoChart or using Reefmaster software.  So in your opinion Reefmaster is better because you can use it with more brands of data.



Here's my side comments though.  Since Humminbird made the decision to make their map display data propietary, and not share the code to others, that their software is the only software that can truly display custom maps as a true background map. 

As I mentioned earlier, Reefmaster is only able to produce custom maps for Humminbirds by producing a bunch of humminbird gps tracks.  That is what steers me to AutoChart.  I want to create a map chip that I can put into my unit with TRUE maps displayed on it.  NOT a bunch of tracks.

That is just my opinion and preference though.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #137 on: May 12, 2014, 02:31:07 PM »
Yes Camohunter, sorry for my English I'm french! ;D

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #138 on: May 12, 2014, 02:38:06 PM »
could be nice if Humminbird can do a multibean sonar as the 3D MATRIX paramoud to get time to produce map in great area! They have the tranducers, just need a black box with ethernet

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #139 on: May 12, 2014, 09:14:07 PM »
Loaded my Zero lines card in my 1158 last weekend. Still ice here only to find that half my waypoints show on dry land.  Lakes are in Saskatchewan Canada, anyone else notice this problem.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #140 on: May 12, 2014, 10:26:45 PM »
They used data from OpenStreetMap data.  So if the shoreline data was off from their source, it won't show correctly on the zerolines sd card.  Not to fret, you have the ability to create your own shoreline data and use yours instead of the default OpenStreetMap data.  Just a setting you'll have to change and some shoreline data you'll likely have to draw in Google Earth to pull into AutoChart. 

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #141 on: May 13, 2014, 10:01:36 AM »
yup same problem for me in Saskatchewan too ..
 open street map not very accurate  i just made my own with google earth  and import into autocharts

can be a bit time consuming depending on how detailed you make it,
remember to zoom in as much as possible when u make your own background
ps if u used to use DRDEpth u can import backfrounds from there...
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #142 on: May 14, 2014, 03:14:37 PM »
Has anyone else run across this yet?

http://www.humminbird.com/uploadedFiles/Content/Category/Support/FAQ/AutoChart_fix.pdf

It appears to provide a way to use maps that were created with Autochart on Humminbird Sonar devices that haven't been updated with Autochart support yet.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #143 on: May 14, 2014, 03:34:46 PM »
Nope, I haven’t seen that yet… Anyone want to send me some sonar files so I can make a map and test this with?
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #144 on: May 14, 2014, 03:39:11 PM »
While I'm thinking about it (because I have repeatedly forgotten about it):
If any of you have not registered your AutoChart purchase yet on the Humminbird web site, you should be able to do so now but there is a bit of a twist: instead of the serial number you enter the activation code to register it with.  The serial number from these would not work in our registration system.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #145 on: May 14, 2014, 04:26:25 PM »
greg ,
i can send u a few after work today....what email adress works??
 u can pm me with info for files :)
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #146 on: May 15, 2014, 08:22:25 AM »
Thanks Dave, you can just send them to my Humminbird e-mail address:

gwalters@johnsonoutdoors.com
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #147 on: May 15, 2014, 08:01:14 PM »
Has anyone else run across this yet?

http://www.humminbird.com/uploadedFiles/Content/Category/Support/FAQ/AutoChart_fix.pdf

It appears to provide a way to use maps that were created with Autochart on Humminbird Sonar devices that haven't been updated with Autochart support yet.



I would like to know this also.   Hopefully this means I could record maps and display them on my old 798
Has anyone else run across this yet?

http://www.humminbird.com/uploadedFiles/Content/Category/Support/FAQ/AutoChart_fix.pdf

It appears to provide a way to use maps that were created with Autochart on Humminbird Sonar devices that haven't been updated with Autochart support yet.


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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #148 on: May 16, 2014, 08:03:25 AM »
I just posted this file to the Downloads section.
Haven't tried it yet but from the read it looks like it would allow any unit that can normally use a Humminbird-LakeMaster map card to display a map made using the AutoChart program.  I received a message about it yesterday but there were not any more details than that.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #149 on: May 16, 2014, 02:21:33 PM »
I tried it yesterday and it does work !

That's very good news !

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