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Side Imaging Forums => 898c SI => Topic started by: wolfs4evr on March 05, 2012, 09:29:31 AM
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Where to start… Should of taken written notes verse mental notes fishing yesterday.
Anyways I did the 6.180 upgrade to my 898 and had some issues/stuff that has never happened before the upgrade with it Sunday on the lake. (I did the full reset prior to the update, etc, etc)
Config: 898c on the console and a 798ci HD on the bow (Both have the newest updates installed). They are connected via a Ethernet cable.
1. Waypoints are not being shared between the two anymore. (I triple checked and checked again all of the Ethernet settings. Not like there is a ton of settings to mess with. It is pretty much plug and play.)
I keep all of my waypoints on the 898 for the most part so I only have to back-up on one SD card. All of the ones I had on it (898) and on the SD card (898s card) prior to the update are transferring fine/viewable on the 798 just like normal. Any new waypoints I created Sunday at the lake on the 898 did not go to the bow 798 (I left some in for hours just to see if they would eventually transfer with no luck). But any new waypoint that I created on the 798 appeared instantly on the 898. Other than checking Ethernet settings (I triple verified share waypoints on both units is selected) I am at a loss what else to look at. Something screwy with the new waypoint management or something changed that is causing issues with the Ethernet. Or I am really missing something.
2. Sonar via the Ethernet.
I am no longer able to share transducers via the Ethernet. Typically when I am on the bow I set the consoles 898 to the bow/TM mounted 798 transducer via the Ethernet so whomever is in the back has something to look at also. (Shallow water I don’t have to but once one gets into the 20+ feet water depth range I get some mutual sonar interference on both units. Not much but enough to be bothersome. If I am by myself I just turn the consoles sonar off.) I tried on both units and no luck either way. The console wouldn’t take the bows 798 transducer and the bow wouldn’t take the consoles 898 transducer via Ethernet. Use to work just fine…
3. Reboots.
Never happened to me before but now I had several. Once or twice while switching between screens on the 898 it would just shut down and reboot right back up. Then 3 or 4 times in a row I scrolled over to a waypoint on the map and clicked on it and selected delete. It would delete then the unit would immediately shut down and reboot. Might have been 4 in a row, then I deleted 2 or 3 more after that and they deleted like normal and didn’t reboot.
I know I am missing some other minor stuff… Will have to keep better notes next time (a couple weeks from now before the next outing.)
Tom
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Tom, can you say that individually the units work and that the problem is while connected together..
We dont use any dual shared units so I am thinking that the problem lies in the code for sharing the information.
By all means share this with HB customere support so they can relay on to the developers..
I guess this all worked ok prior to the upgrade...
Chuck
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They worked fine individually (minus the 898 re-booting by itself stuff). Just that "most" of the Ethernet stuff didn't post update. I didn't try using the 898s puck/GPS on the 798 so one item I didn't test on the water so don't know about that item.
Yes, everything worked like it is suppose to prior to the 6.180 update Ethernet wise and sharing GPS, transducers, waypoints, etc.
I didn't really care for the auto SI range. As depth changed and the scale changed I was getting blank areas on the outside edges on both sides when it ranged from a smaller range scale to a bigger range scale. I finally turned that function off and went back to my standard 100 foot scale.
Trying to figure out how to export waypoints, saved tracks, etc was a big old pain in the backside. Kicked my trail. lol I didn't find that till I was home Sunday night and messing around with it more in the garage. Hidden...
COG/SOG is good. Range circles are good. Full screen SI is good (Wish I could do the same on the 3 screen view (SI/DI/Sonar view)). Some good stuff in the update but in the end until this Ethernet thing gets figured out I took a big step backwards in technology with this update. I lost some of the biggest ticket items I purchased these specific units for.
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wolf, I am guess HB missed some "stuff" on the new code.
I always hate to go back level, but you might want to try that until some of the "new" bugs can identified and fixed. ::)
We are pretty much a HB user for sonar.
GPS and Nav we use another unit (different mfgr).
We also dont interconnect units.
SAR restricts the usage a lot from what fisher people do.
I wish I knew more on the waypoints, etc.
On our other brand the GPS and nav is really simple and user proof..
Chuck
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I think I remember seeing something about being able to change ping rate too. Don't remember seeing that option/field before. Something I didn't get a chance to mess with and see what it did. Heck I don't even remember where I seen that at in the menus...
Stuff to mess with next outing and learn.
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Ping rate has to do with how often you ping (as in send a signal).
The rate has to do with depth and target display. It also corrosponds to your selection for higher speeds. If you have a ping rate of 1 and you are going fast then the amount of pings hitting a target is low and the display does not portray the shape as accurately..
Ping rate is influenced by bottom composition such as soft or hard. (or a target)
It is something you have to play with and see what gives the optimum target..
The ping rate should be in your snapshot and recording xpress menu...
The setting is 1 to 10 or auto.
Chuck
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Hi Wolf
1 waypoint sharing:
I think there's a new menu item in the Ethernet settings in which the distribution of the waypoints must be allowed.
mvh
Rüdiger
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Waypoint sharing is now working and I didn't do a thing. Went out and messed with it just a bit ago for the first time since being on the water Sunday. I guess I should of tried turning the bow 798 off/on while I was at the lake since that appears to be what fixed it. I did try turning the console 898 off/on several times manually amongst all the reboots it did by itself on the lake Sunday and that didn't do anything for me.
Back to the use of Sonar via the Ethernet. I am not on the water testing right now (in the garage) but it appears that function still isn't working at all but something is... If that makes sense (It might of been this way on the lake somewhat... I never got this much into messing with it on the water). When I select the consoles transducer on the bow via the Ethernet settings I get a error saying lost sonar do you want to switch to local. The depth blinks like a loss of sonar. But I am able to go into the sonar settings and change items like 83/200 to 200 or 83 and see that change happen on the other unit. Same with Clear or Max mode. I can change them on one unit and the other changes. Just like it is suppose to do but no sonar is making it across the Ethernet path. For some reason right now when I select the consoles transducer on the bow it appears to be taking it. At least I am not getting any error messages. The depth appears to be the same on both units and whatever is coming across on the sonar view appears to be about the same on both (garage floor). I can't vouch for SI/DI until I get on the water. (Now thinking about this one, if I remember correctly, on the water Sunday the console did take the bow transducer but the sonar/di/si images were blurry junk and useless.)
(I did try a reset on the 798 to see if that did anything for me and it didn't other than make a mess of my normal unit set-up...)
GPS is working fine via Ethernet. I can select the 898s puck on the 798 and it switches over and I can select the internal GPS on the 798 and see it on the 898.
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I have not had time to give a report of my day on the water. I have to say that my unit did shut off both on and off the water. Once while fishing yesterday and once Sunday evening testing unit when I would scroll through with the view button. Otherwise...everything else works ok so far. Have not done any waypoint stuff yet.
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When I called HB about this this past week the waypoint sharing issue is already a known problem. The sonar sharing problem was something new to them so to be seen.
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I wonder if the software dervelopers test the codes with multiple units or just on the model by itsself?
Seems we have issues when we connect several together. By themselves they seem to run fine..
Chuck
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So I grabbed my chip and re-installed the older 5.7 update and tossed that back into the unit... Hmmm, not as simple as I was hoping. Didn't take it at all. Didn't even recognize there was a different update on the chip. More than likely it thinks a old update is on the chip and doesn't even ponder installing it. I guess I am stuck with what is in the unit for now. I wasn't sure if you could downgrade a update or not and this shows you can't. Unless there is a trick to it.
I read elsewhere that HB is suppose to come out with the correct update for the 898 first thing this upcoming week. Fingers crossed one comes out and that I am able to put it on my unit now that this flawed update is on it.
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You have to be carefull in trying to install a older update from what I have read and heard. I think they say it could damage your unit or hardware instide the unit. I thought about doing the same thing on a update at one time back on my 898 but decided against it. Good luck.
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Another consideration is to only have one update on the card. I would also suggest no waypoints either. At least for the time being...
Depending on the unit and the down level code you shoud be able to go back at lease one level..
Chuck
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I accually have all of the latest updates on my laptop.
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wolfs4evr,
Did you ever get the 5.700 software update to ‘take’?
I know of no reason why you could not step back one level in the software. What you do not want to do is step back to a software version that is older than what the unit was initially made with. Doing so could cause some incompatibility problems and cause the unit not to operate.
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Actually when I went back out to the boat and opened up the card reader door I realized that when I shut it I must of bumped the right chip and it had ejected from being fully seated. Thought about it for a bit and decided not to try to downgrade the unit and wait and see what comes about. I also called HB and asked and was advised if that is what I really wanted to do it was highly recommended that I send the unit back to downgrade it. I like the changes on the 6.180 but it sucks not being able to share sonar via the Ethernet. Plus the waypoints being picky about going across the Ethernet.
Will hold out and see what HM comes up with. Not fishing this weekend due to work plus the weather is sketchy. Might be working next weekend too... To be seen.
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I just checked HB website and there appears to be a different update for the 898 on there now. At least the file name is different from what I downloaded and installed on the 2nd. I won't be able to try this till this weekend but how do I go about installing it? I am only asking this since I already have whatever was on HB website on my 898 and it is listed as a 6.180 update already. Will this new one just install like normal or is there anything special I have to do, other than the normal reset all, etc?
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It may not install because the unit already thinks it is at the 6.180 rev. You may just have to try it and see what happens, or you may have to get advice from HB customer support on that one.
There would be some other things to try, like going backwards on the software and then re-installing the new rev....I would call customer service first.....or wait and see what Greg has to say.
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It should not be a problem going back to the 5.700 software.
I don’t know anything about a new software update for the 898 units but than I arrived late to a meeting yesterday where this might have been discussed (have not had time to follow up on this with other attendees yet).
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wolf. if it is a new release then the finel name will be different.
What file name did you see.
Also if you get a new download mail to me so I can continue to work on getting updates on this forum.
email=ncurt100@gmail.com
Chuck
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I won't be home till Saturday to play with it. Will post anything if there is anything to post about. I just looked at what is listed under the 898 for updates and what is there is a different name than what I have saved at home from the 2nd. All I know for now.
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OK, thanks,, I dont have visibility into HB for all software release and depend on you guys to let me know what is there.
I hope that our download section will be even better n the coming months as I can get releases into it.
Thanks for all that you do towards this endeavor..
chuck
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HB seems to be getting it right slowly but surely (but not completely)... To install this different file name but still called a 6.180 update I had to revert my unit back to the 5.7 software (glad I had it saved). Then load this one to get it to take (I called HB and that is what I was told I had to do for it to take since the update is called the same). Anyways got all of that done and then spent a hour or so playing with it in the garage.
Main big difference for me is that my console mounted 898 will now take the bow mounted 798ci HD TM installed transducer via Ethernet. I know for sure this works. I snaked the transducer cord out some and laid it next to the TM power lines so I get interference and seen the same image on both units (Interference on SI)
But my 798 bow unit still won't take the 898 transom transducer via Ethernet. The depth starts to blink when I switch over and shortly thereafter I get a pop up green window with the alert Sonar source is lost do you want to switch to local. I tried turning on/off/on both units several times to see if that did anything and nada. (This really doesn't matter to me now days since I mounted a transducer on the TM and have no reason to use the transom transducer anymore from up front. For several months though I didn't have a TM mounted transducer and this would not of been good!)
Everything else seems to work. GPS via Ethernet either way works. Waypoints marked on one are on the other in a second, etc, etc.
Update while I am typing this...
Called HB again to relay what I am seeing now and she said she knew nothing of a different release. I relayed the two file names I have (one downloaded on 2Mar and the other downloaded 16Mar) and it ends up HB accidently uploaded/posted the 6.180 update for the 1197 into the 898 folder. This wasn't realized for a week or so. So anyone with a update for their 898 with a file name that starts out with 407b11..... it is WRONG. The correct file name for the 6.180 update for the 898 starts out with ae8b7....
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Wow ya know I did the same thing Installed the wrong update and it still on my 898 and wouldn't ya know it I didnt save the 5.700 update anyone know where I can find it so I can get the right update on mine. I noticed that my unit lost the option to export my way points.
Regards
Mark
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Export is actually still there. Took me hours to find. lol Different spot. There is several posts floating around on where to find it. I'll send you the 5.7 here in a bit in a PM.
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Awesome thank you sir
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Export is under the waypoint manager now verse where you are use to it.
(http://www.outlawrc.com/stuff/fishing/898%20How%20to%20Export.jpg)
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Yep I finally found that as well. I just bought this 898 SI and still trying to get used to it.. Also bought the Navionics Platinum so throw that in and I am way behind the curve. I have found this forum to be most helpful thanks to all for your help, im sure you will see more questions out of me :)
Regards
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I am not too much further back in the curve than you... I got the boat and 898/Nav Plat the end of Sep and the 798 in Oct. I have a feeling I will be learning how to properly use them for the next several years. Only advantage I have had so far in learning is the fact I can fish year round and have spent quite a bit of time trying to learn how to use them during the slower fishing months out here in Vegas.
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I just got done in a chat with someone from another forum. He is having the same exact problem I am having. He can't get his 898 transducer to show up on his 700 series front unit. He gets the same exact error I am getting too. Green box with a alert of lost sonar do you want to switch to local when he tries via Ethernet settings (his worked fine on the 5.7 update just like mine "did").
I didn't ask the other person but I know for a fact on mine that temperature does go across the Ethernet. I pulled up temp1 and temp2 on both units and that is correct (front and rear transducers). It is just the fact that the 898 doesn't like to share it's transducers sonar data anymore via Ethernet. lol
Not a isolated problem... The "correct" update, as I am told, did fix some problems but not all. Still not a solid update IMO. I will leave it on till the next time I get on the water to see what else there is to see. Might not be for several weeks though due to current weather and work schedule.
So far any issues that I have seen or heard of are Ethernet related. So if you have a single 898 It "should" be fine.
(http://www.outlawrc.com/stuff/fishing/798-Sonar-error-message.jpg)
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The one thing I don't get is that the file I downloaded on the 2nd and the file with a different name that I downloaded today (16th) are 100% identical in size. Down to the kb. Doesn't make sense that they loaded the wrong one and changed it weeks later to the correct one and they are both 100% identical in size. Not sure what is really going on... Other than the one I put on my 898 today allows me to share my 798 transducer via the Ethernet to the 898. One thing I couldn't do on the update I put on my 898 on the 2nd.
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Wolf I live here in the midwest (Missouri) did some fishing out on Lake Mead In Dec. for Stripers could have used this 898 on that trip as well :)
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My daughter and I were catching 60-100 Stripers before noon several weeks in a row in December. All catch and release. No reason to be bringing that many home. lol Was a good time to be out there. Threadfin shad were a snap to catch there for a while. One or two casts of the net and hundreds of them in the bucket.
Yup the 898 was good to have ;D
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I have really enjoyed my 898c SI until yesterday!! Got the email notice of software update first of the month, downloaded and installed March 3rd. Didn't get a chance to go to the lake until yesterday and got a nasty surprise. My unit will not get a GPS fix. Absolutely no navigation data of any kind. System status check passes, is says GPS is connected but GPS screen says No GPS Fix. Checked all wiring and everything looks good. Whenever I try to show any screen with navigation info all that I get is a blank white screen with the label "No GPS Fix".
Came home and started to look at this web site today. It appears that I installed the first and wrong software that Humminbird posted for the 898c first of March.
Downloaded the new software and, of course, the unit says I already have version6.180 and an update is not needed.
Has anybody been able to resolve the bad update problem?
I intend to call Humminbird in the morning. Will pass on any info I get.
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I didn't have any issues with the GPS on my 898 with the earlier released update.
You have to revert your unit back to the 5.7 update before updating it "again" with the newer named 6.180 update. I tried to install this different named 6.180 update just like you and got the same error message that 6.180 is already installed. Called HB and told that is what I had to do. It went smooth. A couple error messages about out of memory that made me nervous when I put the 5.7 back on but once I put the chip back in with the newer 6.180 update it took and no error messages. I haven't been on the water with this one yet.
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this is the one you should have on now..
ae8b76db661e45d58134e3a420e2c92b.bin 3-14/2012 898
chuck
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I just purchased a 898c si, installed and am getting the GPS est pos error 2669sm with the gps not able to connect and get a fix position. I had a 717 that had a GPS 16, so power down, plug in the GPS16 into the 898 and got a fix position. I thought the GPS 50 was at fault until I read that another was having same issue. Anyone know what the resolution is ?
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Chuck I get the same file but mine still has the release date of 3/1/12
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The release date never changed. The file name did. There is one name that was on the HB website for the 898 for a little over a week after the 1st then a different file was uploaded and a different name. Both were the same file size.
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See the downloads on this forum
the first release started with 407, then HB release the second (aeb) to fix problems in the 407.
This is why HB needs to go back to a more indicative release unidentifier.
These long name file tell us nothing..
You can load the aeb from this site...
Chuck
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If I already downloaded and installed the other. How do I get the new file to install?
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the aeb replace the 407 so just put it on a sd card and put it in your unit.
Of course follow the recommended stept to update.
turn on unit
Restore factory defaults
turn off unit.
put in sc card
turn on unit
wait until upgrade is done
restore factory defaults
turn off unit
take out sd card
turn on unit
set you own settings.
Chuck
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You have to revert the unit back to the 5.7 update (re-install 5.7) then install the newer named 6.180 update.
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Got it. I hope it fixes that abnormal shut down that has been happening. Installed 5.7, then reinstalled 6.180 I have three weeks with the unit and it started shutting down randomly after I did that update. It would usually happen when I was clicking the view button. Im going out tomorrow so ill post an update.
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Mine did that on the initial 6.180 update. I haven't been on the water with the newer/different file name but playing around in the garage a lot over the last couple weeks it hasn't shut down/re-booted yet. Fingers crossed too.
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Oh Great! I wish that HB would get it together. They need some QA to check these things out before they go online. Perhaps they should use different file names to keep things like this from happening. Posting the files for the 1198 on the 898 web site is bad news. Now I have the wrong update on my unit. That is UNEXCUSABLE IMHO. They need to get it together with their software updates etc.
BTW my unit is shutting down or rebooting on it's own when I am pressing the view button and switching in between different screens.
HB seems to be getting it right slowly but surely (but not completely)... To install this different file name but still called a 6.180 update I had to revert my unit back to the 5.7 software (glad I had it saved). Then load this one to get it to take (I called HB and that is what I was told I had to do for it to take since the update is called the same). Anyways got all of that done and then spent a hour or so playing with it in the garage.
Main big difference for me is that my console mounted 898 will now take the bow mounted 798ci HD TM installed transducer via Ethernet. I know for sure this works. I snaked the transducer cord out some and laid it next to the TM power lines so I get interference and seen the same image on both units (Interference on SI)
But my 798 bow unit still won't take the 898 transom transducer via Ethernet. The depth starts to blink when I switch over and shortly thereafter I get a pop up green window with the alert Sonar source is lost do you want to switch to local. I tried turning on/off/on both units several times to see if that did anything and nada. (This really doesn't matter to me now days since I mounted a transducer on the TM and have no reason to use the transom transducer anymore from up front. For several months though I didn't have a TM mounted transducer and this would not of been good!)
Everything else seems to work. GPS via Ethernet either way works. Waypoints marked on one are on the other in a second, etc, etc.
update while I am typing this...
Called HB again to relay what I am seeing now and she said she knew nothing of a different release. I relayed the two file names I have (one downloaded on 2Mar and the other downloaded 16Mar) and it ends up HB accidently uploaded/posted the 6.180 update for the 1197 into the 898 folder. This wasn't realized for a week or so. So anyone with a update for their 898 with a file name that starts out with 407b11..... it is WRONG. The correct file name for the 6.180 update for the 898 starts out with ae8b7....
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Was on the water all day today. After the update the unit did not turn off once all day. Reverting to 5.7, then reinstalling the new 6.180 update did the trick. It also feels like the unit operates smoother. Thanks for all the help guys.
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Glad you got your unit straightened out basszilla.
Guys, there has been no ’fix’ for the 6.180 software that I am aware of. There was a wrong file posted to one of the units (don’t remember if it was the 898 unit or not) which has been corrected. If you try and load the wrong file into your unit the unit should ignore it and not load it at all. The difference in file names came when the correct 6.180 software file was again reloaded to the web site. Something is happening when the files get uploaded to the web site as it is renaming them. Humminbird is trying to get this corrected but it may take time to do so. BTW: the file name has nothing to do with your unit being able to load a software update or not. I know this because I have renamed many file names (so they make sense to me) and have not had a problem with the unit accepting and loading them correctly.
If you have problems with a particular software update it could be due to several things one of which that the data got corrupted when downloading it to the SD memory card.
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Or could the corruption come from loading the data into the HB unit.
We use sd cards every day (and I mean every day) and the only time I hear of corruption is with the HB part of the transfer.
Could it be that the waypoint management portion of the program has some issues?
I just dont see PC problems with sd data.
Chuck
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It could be Chuck. Remember the medium being used here is just flash memory which is still volatile. If you have not experienced a failure of a SD memory card than count yourself lucky as I have had many (including the loss of pictures from a digital camera that cannot be replaced).
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then I will say lucky is as lucky does. glad this stuff works for us as it would be a tremoundous headache to lose data.
Actually to date we have not lost any recorded data with HB units.
It goes to the card and then to the pc for review without failure.
Maybe it is more tro do with waypoints than sonar.
Since we dont use the HB navigation we maybew dont see the problem.
We are happy with the sonar end..
Chuck
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I just got done in a chat with someone from another forum. He is having the same exact problem I am having. He can't get his 898 transducer to show up on his 700 series front unit. He gets the same exact error I am getting too. Green box with a alert of lost sonar do you want to switch to local when he tries via Ethernet settings (his worked fine on the 5.7 update just like mine "did").
I didn't ask the other person but I know for a fact on mine that temperature does go across the Ethernet. I pulled up temp1 and temp2 on both units and that is correct (front and rear transducers). It is just the fact that the 898 doesn't like to share it's transducers sonar data anymore via Ethernet. lol
Not a isolated problem... The "correct" update, as I am told, did fix some problems but not all. Still not a solid update IMO. I will leave it on till the next time I get on the water to see what else there is to see. Might not be for several weeks though due to current weather and work schedule.
So far any issues that I have seen or heard of are Ethernet related. So if you have a single 898 It "should" be fine.
([url]http://www.outlawrc.com/stuff/fishing/798-Sonar-error-message.jpg[/url])
The new 6.250 update for the 798CI HD SI fixed my transducer sharing problems... Loaded in a snap and all seems perfect. To be seen on the water. Darn winds out here have been killing me. No fishing in nearly a month. Shooting for this weekend. It is "suppose" to be nice as far as the winds. Big lake plus 20-35 winds equals no fishing for me!
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I too just updated my software to 6.180, I'm not linking it to anything so i don't have those types of problems but the unit does turn off and reboot on its own... I've only had it on the water once since the upgrade and didn't adjust much but when i was playing in the yardswith it it would turn off when scrolling through the menus...
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Get the new update! Install 5.7 then the nEw one. Should fix the problem. Keep reading the posts above.
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Yup, be sure the update you have starts out with ae8b7 in the file name. The one that was on HBs website for the first week or two of March had a different file name and that is the one that had issues. Re-boots, etc, etc. Since updating my 898 to the ae8b7... file name update I haven't had mine re-boot or do anything funny. I haven't been on the water with it but have spend hours in the garage in the boat messing with it and no issues whatsoever.
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I just checked the file name and it starts AE8b7 so i'm thinking that i may have a wiring issue... the first time i powered up the unit this year was to update it, it did work fine last summer after I installed the unit... I do have it wired into the power block on my boat but now i'm thinking of going direct to my starting battery to see if it helps it... Its only done it a couple of times and i have been getting low voltage (8-10v) readouts even on fully charged batteries... (I did read about this on another thread here)
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Finally I was able to get out on the water today. A little wind in the AM but overall a perfect day on the water. Can't beat being on the water on a day most are at work!
Anyways all worked 100% perfect. Zero reboots and I messed around a ton with both units. Every setting, etc. This is with the newest 6.180 update on my 898 and 6.250 update on my 798. I can "again" share either transducer with either unit. Waypoint sharing, etc. All perfect and like it is suppose to be.
We caught 18 fish today. I spent a lot of time messing around and not as much time fishing as I would like to but needed to really be sure these two units are dialed again.
A couple fish pics (I guess I could go grab my card and see if there is any cool snapshots but I can't think of anything really cool on it to post from today.)
A little bit of everthing Vegas (Lake Mead) has to offer.
(http://www.outlawrc.com/stuff/fishing/Lake%20Mead_04-06-12_002.jpg)
(http://www.outlawrc.com/stuff/fishing/Lake%20Mead_04-06-12_010.jpg)
(http://www.outlawrc.com/stuff/fishing/Lake%20Mead_04-06-12_006.jpg)
(http://www.outlawrc.com/stuff/fishing/Lake%20Mead_04-06-12_016.jpg)
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good news. And great pictures.
Also your fishing partners are awesome. ;D
I bet they outfish you too.. ::)
Chuck
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Usually she beats me. I don't know how that works ;)
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Today I found some time to do some repairs. So I found that I still had the 5.7 file on my hard drive. I found a 4 gb class ten san disk SDHC chip and formated it using FAT32 formate using my computer. Then I copied the 5.7 file onto this SDHC chip. I took the SDHC chip out to my boat and installed it into my 898 control panel. Before this I set the 898 unit back to the default setting and then turned it off. With the new SDHC chip in the 898 I turned the 898 on and let it upload the 5.7 software. After it finished I used the menu to make sure that the 898 with the 5.7 software was set to it's default settings and then turned the 898 unit off again.
I took the SDHC chip out and went back to the computer with it and did another full formate on that SDHC chip to clear off any data from it. Then I found the new software on the humminbird support site and downloaded it to my computer. I then copied that new file onto the reformatted SDHC chip and took it out to the boat again to install on my 898 unit.
So far all it well again in Mooseville!
I'll take the boat out and do some testing later on.
Glad you got your unit straightened out basszilla.
Guys, there has been no ’fix’ for the 6.180 software that I am aware of. There was a wrong file posted to one of the units (don’t remember if it was the 898 unit or not) which has been corrected. If you try and load the wrong file into your unit the unit should ignore it and not load it at all. The difference in file names came when the correct 6.180 software file was again reloaded to the web site. Something is happening when the files get uploaded to the web site as it is renaming them. Humminbird is trying to get this corrected but it may take time to do so. BTW: the file name has nothing to do with your unit being able to load a software update or not. I know this because I have renamed many file names (so they make sense to me) and have not had a problem with the unit accepting and loading them correctly.
If you have problems with a particular software update it could be due to several things one of which that the data got corrupted when downloading it to the SD memory card.
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Moose1...great... now you can go catch Wolfs fish if his fishing partner will let you get close.. ;D
Let us know how your unit works on the new update...
Check the nav and waypoint functions..
Chuck
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Hey Chuck:
I took the unit out yesterday for a few hours. I fished more than I played with the humminbird as the crappie were in a feeding mood and I knew a good spot on a drop off next to deep water and a shallow 7 ft deep shelf. So I didn't get to play with the unit very much except in my driveway. But I did note that the shut down and rebooting problem was gone.
I'm going out again today and will play with the humminbird some more and check it out more thoroughly.
I've got to admit that I still have not played with the new waypoint managment software that much yet. These lakes that I'm fishing are so small that I don't use waypoints that much or have to naviate using the humminbird much.
Now when or if I ever fish KY lake again I'll be using the waypoint managment program a lot more. I've got a old friend that gave me his waypoints for Big Sandy a few years back. He gave me three typed pages of waypoints for that area but I've never had the opportunity to use them since then.
I need to do some reseach and figure out if there is a manual that shows how to use the new software effectively.
While in my driveway I was looking at some of my snapshots and recordings and could not figure out where they were taken. The lake I fish is not mapped and the only thing shown on the Humminbird Map view is the roads that surround these old stripper pits. I should get that Dr Depth program and learn to use it and map these pits with it. If they would show up on the humminbird units map view that would be great and worth the time. I like to play with topomaps.
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If you made a recording or snapshot then unit will record the gps and it is in the bxx.son file for the record,
You could use humviewer to view the record and see the gps location that way..
Plug those corridinates into google earth or another mapping viewer..
dont know of a manual for new updates...
Chuck
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This might seem like a silly question but how do you import waypoints from a SD card into the 898 with 6.180 software? If I remember correctly under the previous update there was a import tab or maybe it was when you turned the unit on it would read the card and update if something was different (I tried turning the unit on several times with the card in that has different data and nothing got read off it). It is reading it since it sees that the 6.180 update is on the card. I can't find anything or anyway of getting stuff off the SD and into my 898 on my unit. There is nothing in the waypoint management area that I can find that looks like import.
Very important... I erased all of the saved tracks I had since I wanted to start fresh but there was 3 stuck in there in limbo. No file but I could see the tracks. Odd. Figured the only way to get rid of them was select all and erase. Worked. But now all of my waypoints are on the card but I can't get them back on the unit. (These 3 saved tracks showed up in the HB software program on my PC but not the unit. I erased them in the HB program and have all of my waypoints saved and uploaded to the card.)
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HMMMMM. I thought it was automatic in 6.180....I will look around our screens..
Chuck
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Very interesting... Figured it out 100% by accident.
The 898 or at least mine is pretty picky when you close the cover for the SD cards. I had it powered up when I went to shut it and bumped the the right card and popped it out. I figured what the heck and popped it back in with the unit powered up and instantly got the do you want to import, etc, etc dialogue. It imported all my waypoints. HAPPY. Also the 3 "phantom" saved tracks that I couldn't see on the unit, name/file wise, but could see the tracks and could see the file name in the HB PC program are now gone. What a pain to get rid of 3 tracks. At least I now know how to import stuff off the card. The unit has to be powered on when the card is inserted. I know 100% for a fact that it wasn't this way on the previous update. I accidently selected delete all over export all once out at the lake and as soon as I powered off the unit and back on I had my waypoints and tracks back.
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you are so smart..... ;D.... ::)
Thanks for sharing.
Do you want to post this process in Articles and Tutorials...
Chuck
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You can if you want. Not sure if it is "suppose" to work this way or not. Worked for me. Maybe Greg will chime in Monday on it. I can kind of see why if intentional. If I remember correctly it auto read before so if I had deleted some waypoints on the unit and then powered it off they would be there when I power it back up since it read the card. I had to remember to export all every time so that wouldn't happen. I think anyways... Darn memory.
I also tried both SD card slots to rule that out before I accidently found out how to import.
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You know more about waypoints than I do.. :-[
I dont know enought to make an intelligent article.
You are da man ::)
chuck
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Greg is this the correct "new" way to get waypoints/stuff to load into the unit off a SD card? I know it wasn't on the 5.7 update.
Very interesting... Figured it out 100% by accident.
The 898 or at least mine is pretty picky when you close the cover for the SD cards. I had it powered up when I went to shut it and bumped the the right card and popped it out. I figured what the heck and popped it back in with the unit powered up and instantly got the do you want to import, etc, etc dialogue.
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It is if it works!
I don’t know that the way to load waypoints has been officially changed. I think that this may be a problem with the 6.180 software.
Has anyone successfully loaded waypoints from an SD card into their unit that is running the 6.180 software by installing the SD card before turning the unit on?
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It rebooted on me once Sunday at the lake but I don't think it had anything to do with the update. I was hitting too many buttons almost at once to change screens, zoom in, mark, etc. Other than that both were perfect.
I messed around with 83khz for a while. I hardly do and need to so much more. I keep on learning... I was in 40-60 foot of supppper clean water and had it set on max mode with the sensitivity maxxed out with a perfect picture jigging for stripers with a jiggin spoon. I swear my jig looked like a anchor going up and down since it was showing up that well. I was highly impressed in that depth. Before this I had only messed with 200khz and max mode. Need to learn and mess with stuff more often... Never ending learning process.
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good deal. can you snapshot a couple of pictures and post of the jig?
Learn something new.
Remember what Homer Simpson said.
You are never too old to learn something new. The problem with age is the brain only holds so much and when you reach that point something new kicks out something old..
I am there...
Chuck
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... If you try and load the wrong file into your unit the unit should ignore it and not load it at all.
Ok, I'm officially lost now. On 3/6 I installed the "407b" file on my 898 and have had no issues (that I'm aware of). So, if that's the case did I get the right file, or should I go thru the whole revert to 5.7 then install the "ae8" file routine???
Thanks...
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I would put the 5.7 on and then install the ae8 or if you down load from here the 6.180 is the same..
the ae8 replaced the 407 which had a problem.
you will need to downlevel and the update..
Chuck
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I would leave it as is RivRunR as it was the correct file that loaded. Right now the Humminbird web site is renaming the files when they get uploaded. When it was reported that the files got renamed some of the software files got reloaded (and so had a different long name) but in the end contained the same information. There was no change in software made for your unit in between the 407b and ae8 files. There was one unit (I can’t remember which one) that had the wrong file uploaded but that would not load into the unit that it was loaded under as it was the wrong software update file (hope that made sense).
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I would leave it as is RivRunR as it was the correct file that loaded. Right now the Humminbird web site is renaming the files when they get uploaded. When it was reported that the files got renamed some of the software files got reloaded (and so had a different long name) but in the end contained the same information. There was no change in software made for your unit in between the 407b and ae8 files. There was one unit (I can’t remember which one) that had the wrong file uploaded but that would not load into the unit that it was loaded under as it was the wrong software update file (hope that made sense).
Greg,
Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, it seems to be working ...so "if it ain't broke, don't fix it !"
Again, thanks for the quick response!
RR
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Greg, I am confused. A while back you told me the ae8 replaced the 407b which had a small error in it..
Chuck
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I know for a fact "something" was different from whatever it was that I downloaded and installed on the 3rd of March verse what I downloaded and installed on the 16th of March. Both files were 100% the same file size wise but most of the issues I had from the March 3rd download were corrected on the March 16th download. (6.250 for my 798 in April fixed the remaining issues I had.)
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According to the Engineering documentation there was only one software file released for the 898 units. Now what could have gone wrong with the file being uploaded to the web site, downloaded by all that downloaded it or during the installation process – I don’t know. If there was a difference than that means that RivRunR’s 898 unit has the same problems as wolfs4evr 898 unit had (and the same would be true for all that downloaded and installed the 407b file.
Chuck, I may have made that statement due to the fact that the file name was so long and that it changed. There was a bit of confusion here when we started getting calls about the long file names and also when people first started loading the 6.180 software and also had problems with their units. The whole “the sky is falling” routine – sort of like what goes on here.
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Lets hope we can get back to a meaningful short name so that we can know releases as they should be known and indicative of level..
Thes long names sure confused a lot of tracking systems.
Chuck
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Lets hope we can get back to a meaningful short name so that we can know releases as they should be known and indicative of level..
Thes long names sure confused a lot of tracking systems.
Chuck
Amen to that Chuck!
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Amen, Praise Allah, Bless the fish, Curse Satan.
What ever it takes to get back on track.. ;D
Chuck
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I had quite a few reboots this past Saturday. Bothersome. I had one before I even made it 100 feet from the ramp. Multiple buttons pushes and it is over. One has to push a button, wait, push, etc. You can't really click, click, click or it will get you. More so in the early hours. It happened less and less as the day went on. Maybe 8 or so times it rebooted on me. Doing nothing different than I have in the past. Still like what 6.180 gives me just bothersome verse 5.7 where it never ever rebooted no matter what one did.
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The problem can occur when you download the software form the Humminbird Server to your home computer. If your home computer is running a firewall or an antivirus program at that time then sometimes the download can be corrupted.
I learned about this from downloading games over the internet. The developer of the games had a lot of techs that helped it's customers with these downloads. I'm talking about the time frame from 1998 to 2010 when at the beginning a lot of people used dial up phone modems. But even with DSL or cable modems that have better data transfer rates and better error correction feathers you can still get a corrupted file when running virus software and firewalls on your home or work computer.
The thing I was told to do is to disable the virus software before downloading important files such as the new Humminbird Updates. Then turn the virus software back on. Same with your firewall program. Disable it until after your download the humminbird update and then re enable it again.
Be careful when using an SDHC card in your computer or in your humminbird unit to make sure that it's not being read or written to when you pull it out of the card reader or the humminbird slots. I make sure that my humminbird is turned off before I pull out any SDHC cards from the slots in the control head.
Better to be safe than sorry.
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Moose1...great... now you can go catch Wolfs fish if his fishing partner will let you get close.. ;D
Let us know how your unit works on the new update...
Check the nav and waypoint functions..
Chuck
So far I've spent a couple of hours testing the news software. Seems to be working ok except for the lines that run down the center of the screen just to theside of boat's center line. It's as if there is something below the transducer about 2 ft down and reflecting the sound waves back up to the sonar. The reflections show up stronger on the left side of the center line but there is a line on the right side also. Never really noticed this before, but I've seen the same thing in some screen shots of the Humminbird unitls on the bass boat central web site under the Humminbird SI forum.
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Since the transducer does have a bit of forward cone it is possible to be reflecting the bottom of the boat. Justy slightly but enough to cause a line..
Chuck
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My Two year extended warranty expired in March or April of this year so I'm out of luck if my transducer is messed up. I'm hoping that it's something that I can fix without having to buy a new trandsucer. That would cost me $300 bucks approximately. Give or take a few bucks.
I looked at the transducer and where it's mounted on my boat yesterday for a few minutes. There is a metal rib that runs along the bottom of my boat and I put the transducer in the middle of two of these metal ribs. Perhaps there is some turbulence coming along the metal rib on the bottom of my boat. I have a FisherMarine Water Strider III Aluminum Boat that I bought in 1978. The bottom is flat like a john boat which is really what this boat is. The front if flat just like a john boat. They didn't start modifying the front end of these Aluminum boats until 1979. My unfortune to buy the boat a year too early. But the boat is perfect for the lakes or old strip pits that I'm fishing now.
I'll have to detach my transducer from it's metal bracket on my boat and hook it up to a long pole and do some testing with it. I'll have to unwrap all the tape that I used to secure the transducer cable in place next to the motor. And I'll have to clip a bunch of ties that I used to secure the cable so that I can get so slack in the cable.
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my unit has the lines on the left side as well... thought it was my jack plate I installed but there is nothing in the way of my transducer i've checked and re checked.... maybe it does have something to do with the update.... on mine it seems to go away every once and A while....
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I took my boat out today and set the 898 to 800 KHz SI frequency and then set the range to 40 ft in shallow water. The image on my left side had a solid line that was much wider than before. And the left side of my SI screen was darker than the right side.
I also noticed some glitches in the User Defined display on the left side of the screen. The numbers that go from top to bottom. I was chaning the number 2 position and noticed that the display didn't not change in some of the SI screens. The change appeared on some screens such as the Switchfire screen. But I would think that if you changed the number two postion to time that it would show the time instead of the default course on all screens that show these data along the left vertical column of the display.
I think that Humminbird has way too many models to keep track of. They should limit how many models they make and make it much easier to program for them all.
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+1 Moose
Chuck
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didn't the new update give you control of the side imaging readouts independently?
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Not really. All you can do is turn them on or off on the SI screen only. That does not affect the other screens as far as I can tell.
And you can't change the text that's shown on the screen lower left hand corner when you turn off the vertical column of text on the left side of the SI screen view.
I was hoping for more control and to have all the text in the vertical column on the left side of the SI screen view shown on the bottom of the SI screen veiws. Didn't happen like that.
And the selective text changes don't always work right either. They work only on the Switch fire screen veiws but some of the other views go back to the default text. There are 5 different texts shown in a verticle column on the left side of the screen in most of the veiws. Your suppose to be able to go into the Setup Menu and chose "selective text" or something similar to that phrase and change the text shown in some of the 5 boxes of text. But I think that the manual does say there are limits to what can be changed in the various screen veiws. So this may be by design and not a bug after all.
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yes my readouts change when I scroll through the different views just when there is navigation involved tho... the bearing always comes up.... just noticed that....
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did you figure out what was causing the solid line on the left side? mind has three or four evenly spaced on the left side that weren't there before I updated....
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Have not figured out why the lines are there on the display screen just to the left of my center line in SI view. Not really sure what's causing it.
I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the updates in the firmware ?
I played with my unit by turning off the gas motor and drifting along with the wind and the lines were still on my screen. I'll have to try tilting the motor up all the way out of the water and see if that makes the lines go away. If that doesn't clear this problem up I don't know what else to do other than to remove the transucer off the boat and mount it on a long pole and stick it under the water deeper to see if that clears the lines up off my screen.
I've been fooling around doing all this testing and now my warranty is over. I even have the special status with a extended one year warranty added onto the original one year warranty. But the problem started before my warranty was up. Not sure what to do but I hope that Humminbird will treat me fairly on this issue or get it fixed if its in the software. I'll have to wait and see.
Right now I'm excited about receiving the new Lakemaster Digital Map card for IN/OH as it's got three of the main lakes I fish. I can't wait until that arrives in the mail and I can see how it works. Hope it's bug free . :)
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i've tried trimming my motor out too and it didn't help at all.... when I an trimmed right down I do get A bit of A line but it goes away with A couple inches of trimming up.... I can be sure there is nothing interfering with the transducer on my boat... i'll try and post A couple of snapshots tonight....
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I really think the transducer cone has a slight upward signal. (very slight) or the reflected signal off the bottom also hits the boat keel and reflects back some.
We dont see this on a towfish..
Chuck
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You might be right. But does the transducer have a sligthly forward lean. According to the 3 D drawing that's posted on the Web Site's 2 D picture or view the sonar beam is very thin. it goes out at 90 deg right angles to the long axis of the sonar transducer and to the left and right in a very thin slice of sound.
I've taken pictures of the back of my boat to show where the transducer is mounted in relastion to the boat transom and the motor. I can't see anything in the way of the sonar beam if it's going out of my transducer as dipicted on the Humminbird 3D pictures on their web site.
Perhaps the beams are spread out more than they dipict them in the 3 D drawing. Perhaps they are reflecting off the water's surface just a few feet away from the Transducer.
But I wonder why I never noticed this before? That's my concern right now. A minor concern but still I wonder what's going on? Not everyone see this but then not everyone is mounting their transducers on the same kinds of boats and or in the same location on identical boats. And different boats may have different stuff mounted on their transoms as well. There are many other variables to consider such as how the transducer wiring it routed to the Humminbird control head. I have other wires running though the same pathway that my transducer cable runs though on the starboard side of my boat.
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Yes the cone is very thin. But considering the update changes and the actual operation it could be part of the problem.
You are right in that is could be a surface water reflection as that is where the water and air meet.
Also ITGeek posted a while back and made a statement that it is not unusual for two identical units to operated somewhat differently when displaying..Who realy knows.,.Howeve having said that ....the issue is there for some...
Chuck
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before the update I never had the lines on my screen... that said I never had the jackplate installed either.... could it just be electrical interference of some kind? if it is the way the transducer is receiving the signal could minor adjustments in angle help? its not A huge issue for me but I would like to make it in away...
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Patty, could be angle, could be depth of the transducer., could be ?????
dont really know but for most it is there. On the HB units.
However I will go back and look at some of the old towfish as I dont recall it being there..
Chuck
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Here are some pics of the lines...
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Patty,
I think those are SI range lines.
You can turn those off in either the Sonar or the SI menu.
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ITG, I think he is talking about the lines on the left transducer at the surface.. I think this is a reflection from a tilted transducer or an unlevel boat..
Chuck
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Thanks Chuck.
I see it now.
That's weird.
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Weird,,,yes...but it is the way the HB transducer works and just shows how sensitive it can be to variations and influence..
Chuck
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So maybe I should play with the angle of my transducer??? sometimes it does seem to "go away" or at least lessen somewhat...
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Yes I would try that....Since we know the angle is very important and can be influenced by boat weighting..as in placement of gear and people.
Chuck
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Yes there are SI range lines shown but Patty is talking about the other lines next the middle of the SI screen view and before the first range line on the left.
I see them. Not sure what they are unless that's come type of electrical interference. I read where someone else said that about these multiple lines. I think it was Humminbird Greg that suggested I test my boat with the range set to less than 40 ft so that I could see the multiple lines better. I did that and still saw only one bright line on the left side of my screen. But when I did change the range I was able to see more lines on the right side of my screen. And when I use the 800 KHz frequency setting for my SI the left side of my screen was much darker than the right side. That worries me more than anything now. But maybe that side was just deeper than the right side was at that time. So many variables that are hard to isolate from each other when i'm on this lake that's vary's in depth a lot.
Patty,
I think those are SI range lines.
You can turn those off in either the Sonar or the SI menu.
ITG, I think he is talking about the lines on the left transducer at the surface.. I think this is a reflection from a tilted transducer or an unlevel boat..
Chuck
ITG, I think he is talking about the lines on the left transducer at the surface.. I think this is a reflection from a tilted transducer or an unlevel boat..
Chuck
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I Changed the weight distribution in my boat to try to make it more level when I am in the boat by myself. I weight 235 lb now and the boat wants to list to starboard when I'm driving it. So I added some weight in the form of Lead shot 25 lb bags to the port side back compartment of my boat. I could tell by the water scum line on my aluminum boat that my boat was listing to starboard. Now it's more level with the added weights .
I'm wondering if when I put the metal bracket on my boat back in 1986 if I put in on in such as way as to compensate for the listing. So that now that the boat is more level the Left SI beam is pointing upwards more than it should. But really when I look at the boat from the back the transducer seems to be level with the boat now. I'll check the pitch of the transducer too.
I still have to take the transducer off the boat and mount it to a long pole to test it. That will require me to get some more slack in the transducer cable . Which means I'll have to unhook it from the control head and back it out though the boat's starboard side and unwrap it from my steering cable next to the right side of my motor. I wrapped it around this 1" diameter cable to secure it in place. The tranducer itself won't go around this cable as it's too big to do that in the spot where I wrapped the tramsdicer cable around the steering cable.
Yes I would try that....Since we know the angle is very important and can be influenced by boat weighting..as in placement of gear and people.
Chuck
Yes there are SI range lines shown but Patty is talking about the other lines next the middle of the SI screen view and before the first range line on the left.
I see them. Not sure what they are unless that's come type of electrical interference. I read where someone else said that about these multiple lines. I think it was Humminbird Greg that suggested I test my boat with the range set to less than 40 ft so that I could see the multiple lines better. I did that and still saw only one bright line on the left side of my screen. But when I did change the range I was able to see more lines on the right side of my screen. And when I use the 800 KHz frequency setting for my SI the left side of my screen was much darker than the right side. That worries me more than anything now. But maybe that side was just deeper than the right side was at that time. So many variables that are hard to isolate from each other when i'm on this lake that's vary's in depth a lot.
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LOOKS like the transducer is off level.
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Off level side to side or front to back??? Like i said earlier the unit performed flawlessly before 6.180 and the jackplate... The jackplate set my motor (V6 2 stroke) back 6" further... so i'm wondering if i should re adjust the angle of the transducer, i didn't think that it lowered the transom all that much but maybe it did....
Does anybody think that that could be a boat in my first pic i posted???
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Patty
I agree with you in that I think it's a boat. If you go back over it using 2D sonar and it doesn't show as being raised above the bottom,
don't give up on it being a boat. SI is powerful enough to show images in shallow soft bottom.
Mike
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Patty where is the picture you said that you posted. I don't see it in this thread anywhere.
It's either the boat's not level or the software is creating problems. Not sure which one it is until I play with the transducer on the pole and see what happens. My warranty will expire before I do that. Heck it's already expired now as I was doing these tests.
Off level side to side or front to back??? Like i said earlier the unit performed flawlessly before 6.180 and the jackplate... The jackplate set my motor (V6 2 stroke) back 6" further... so i'm wondering if i should re adjust the angle of the transducer, i didn't think that it lowered the transom all that much but maybe it did....
Does anybody think that that could be a boat in my first pic i posted???
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Yea,
In the first picture, upper right. It looks like a boat.
Open boat, like a rowboat.
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Thought I would Give an update on the lines on the screen... I just bought a new Boat (lund) and so i took my 898 off the Javelin and installed it on the lund, in the process I had to re adjust the angle on the transducer because of amajor change in transom angle... I have not had the lines since I put it on the new boat, and I am assuming that i had the tail and of the transducer to high (Explaining why when i brought the noses of the boat up they went away) and releveling of the transducer solved the problem... i had tried re leveling it on the javelin but it didn't seem to help so maybe the Jackplate on the bass boat was interfering with it although there was a clear line of sight past it...