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Offline rclyatt

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Transducer Options
« on: December 25, 2010, 06:29:15 PM »
Considering mounting the through hull XPTH 9 HDSI 180 T transducer for 898, looking for feed back on how well the sonar features would work at higher speeds or if there is no advantage to that configuration. Thanks


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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2010, 07:03:45 PM »
It depends on what you call "high speed".
The thru-hull is usually used on slow hulls because of rigging problems with a transom type.
Since it protrudes below the hull somewhat and is about 10-12 square inches, its not a good idea for the planing surface on any hull that can get on plane and may cause handling problems where a smooth flow of water across the hull is required.
Some mount the thru-hull on Ranger set-backs but the transducer is not in the water when on-plane.
Describe your boat for critique.

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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2010, 08:41:59 PM »
The boat is a 22ft deck boat with I/O. More of a pleasure/ski boat than fishing but want to set up best I can if possible to work at running speeds. I appreciate any direction if there is an option. Thanks

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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2010, 09:19:04 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2010, 09:38:27 PM »
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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2010, 10:24:05 AM »
Wayne, is is possible for you to copy the referenced photo(s) and put them in the picture Installations here on this forum..
Chuck

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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2010, 11:27:27 AM »
Since there are 235 transducer and transom pictures posted, I wouldn't know which one matches his boat.

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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2010, 10:38:55 AM »
Sounds like a fiberglass hull on your I/O deck boat.  I would look at mounting an inside-the-hull XP-9-20 transducer and connect it to the Si transducer via the AS-Si-DB-Y cable.  That way you would get 2D sonar readings while on plane and Si sonar readings while off plane.  Depending on the design of your deck boat’s hull and how much clearance there is between the outdrive and the hull I would either mount the standard transom mount XHS-9-HDSi-180-T beside and below the outdrive or install the XPTH-9-HDSi-180-T on the hull.  Just a cautionary statement here about the XPTH transducer - if mounted on a boat that gets trailered: you have to mount it in an area that will not get damaged while trailering the boat.  Another home made option here would be to make some type of deployable mounting fixture for the HDSi transducer.

Without seeing a picture of your boat hull and everything it is hard to say which would work best.  Can you post some pictures of your boat hull?  We would need to see pictures of the shape of the transom, the area around the outdrive as well as the bottom area of the hull (on trailer if possible).
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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2010, 04:41:11 PM »
Thank you, I like that option. Will post photos and look at the dual transducer. The XP-9-20 did not list the 898 as compatible stopped at 858. You know more than me just wanted to verify before proceeding. Can you recommend any display mount manufacturer websites, I appreciate your help Thanks.

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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2010, 03:28:10 PM »
The XP-9-20 is not listed as an optional transducer for any of the Si units because if it is used by itself it would not allow Si sonar to work.  The XP-9-20 is the correct Si transducer though.

The RAM mounts are used by a great number of Humminbird 800, 900 and 1100 series unit owners.

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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2011, 01:25:16 PM »
I don’t see a good mounting location for the XPTH-9-HDSi-180-T transducer.  Too many bunks on the boat trailer along with no good location on the hull so that both sides of the Si sonar will work.  I can’t tell from the photos but it doesn’t look like enough room between the outdrive and the transom to shoot an Si signal but I could be wrong.  I would look at possibly mounting a single XHS-9-HDSi-180-T transducer on one side of the outdrive and seeing if you can shoot the Si signal between it and the transom.  If that works good, if not than install a second XHS-9-HDSi-180-T transducer on the other side of the outdrive and connect with the AS-Si-LR-Y splitter cable.  Either way I think that you will have to go with either the XP-9-20 or XAP-9-20 (angled inside-the hull transducer) and the AS0SI-DB-Y splitter cable.

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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2011, 03:15:26 PM »
If I am understanding you the better option might be to install two XAP-9-20 thru hull transducers. will that still give me the side imaging? If not is there any reference material on mounting the XHS-9-HDSi-180-T transducer to the out drive properly? Thanks

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2011, 04:15:14 PM »
No, you misunderstood Greg.
To get a proper functioning Side Imaging setup for your boat, he is suggesting that you install two XNT 9 HDSI 180 T transducers on your transom (one on each side of the outdrive). Connect those two together with a AS SILR Y cable.
The suggested XP 9 20 transducer is for disconnecting the 83/200 khz 2D frequencies from the Side Imaging transducer and connecting that one so you will have on-plane depth readings when the two Side Imaging transducers will be out of the water. The XP 9 20 is for epoxing inside the hull for shoot-thru performance.
The XAP 9 20  is similar but is for an angled inside-the-hull position since it looks like you don't have a flat place on the hull bottom to use the XP 9 20.
Splitting out the 83/200 frequencies is done with the AS SIDB Y cable.

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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2011, 06:50:26 PM »
Right, what Wayne said  ;D except make that two XHS-9-HDSi-180-T transducers (so many transducers, so many letters and numbers running around in our heads… ::) ).

I don’t of anyone who has mounted a transducer off of the outdrive.  I have only seen where they have either mounted them under the outdrive (I don’t think that you have the room for that), beside the outdrive with possibly a second one on the other side, or gone with two XPTH-9-HDSi-180-T true Thru-Hull transducers under the hull.

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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2011, 08:35:38 PM »
Thank you I will move forward in that direction, looking back at using the XP-9-QB-90-T Quad transducer. Outside of switching the menu setting any other disadvantages you might think of?

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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2011, 11:16:58 AM »
None besides the added cost of this transducer versus a XP-9-20-T DualBeam transducer.
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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2011, 10:54:43 AM »
Wanted to verify that the AS SIDB Y cable will work with the XP-9-QB-90-T, info shows for Dual only. Wanted to make sure I was ordering the right cable, Thanks
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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2011, 09:53:31 AM »
Yes, no, well sort of…
The XP-9-QB-90-T inside-the-hull QuadraBeam transducer will work with the AS-Si-DB-Y cable but when so connected it will only function as a DualBeam transducer.  If you want to use the full capabilities of the XP-9-QB-90-T transducer you will need to connect it with the TS2-W Transducer Switch (or its soon to be replacement: the TS3-W).
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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2011, 09:03:27 PM »
Thanks, I will do that. Other question any disadvantage in going ahead and updating to the new 5.21 software? I am using Navionics Platinum not Lakemaster, any other reason to update?

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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2011, 01:36:18 PM »
Right now, I would not update to the 5.210 software yet if you have the unit InterLinked to another unit as we may (unconfirmed) have a problem with units using this level of software with an InterLink.  Otherwise I know of no reason not to update the unit.
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Re: Transducer Options
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2011, 03:54:40 PM »
Thank you


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