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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2014, 09:50:46 AM »
Yep, it shipped direct from LakeMaster.
I bought mine through work (Humminbird) but that does not mean that I received mine before anyone else.  When we buy JOI products; it gets entered in just like anyone else’s order and will get shipped when they get to our order.  I ordered mine about a week ago (my Wife ordered a new PC game for one of my Sons, so I thought I should get to order something too!) and really did not expect it so soon.  So this shows that the AutoChart software is shipping.  Mine is AutoChart Pro North America.

I did get it loaded last night, found the manual but have not went through the demo yet.  I spoke with two locals here who will be saving sonar recordings and tracks for me to add to a map.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2014, 10:51:55 AM »
greg
just looked at both lakemaster and HB sites cant find a link  or popup to order Autocharts?? do you have  a bookmark to site to order from? 
would  probably be easier if lakemaster/HB just did a press  release  to announce its rollin out and where  for everyone??
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2014, 11:24:56 AM »
I don’t think that you will see it for sale on the Humminbird web site until the backorders are cleared out.  I don’t even know what retailers are selling it.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2014, 12:47:47 AM »
Is it true that in order to get Autochart to work on my 1198 or 998 I need to wait for a software update to allow it? I saw a posting on Facebook about it from Jason Halfen. It was about the xxx9 series but it got me wondering.  Can anyone confirm this?

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2014, 12:55:32 PM »
I have a 788ci hd di, will it be updated to work with autochart?

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2014, 02:07:34 PM »
Wow, so the 700 series isn't even going to be supported.  Ouch.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #57 on: April 07, 2014, 03:14:16 PM »
It is my understanding that the unit will need a software update to be able to display the maps you make with AutoChart.  Until your unit receives that update you can still be collecting and making the map(s) you will use.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2014, 03:15:38 PM »
It is my understanding that the unit will need a software update to be able to display the maps you make with AutoChart.  Until your unit receives that update you can still be collecting and making the map(s) you will use.

Will the 788ci HD DI be receiving an update to support AutoChart?

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2014, 03:23:56 PM »
I do not know.  I have not seen a list of units that will or will not work with the AutoChart maps.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #60 on: April 07, 2014, 03:48:59 PM »
Greg,

Have you gotten any raw data to play with yet? I had some on my 1198 but they are exported as .hit files and I think the program looks for .ht files.  I will mess around more tonight. We need this ice to go away so we can get on the lakes !

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #61 on: April 07, 2014, 03:58:40 PM »
No, no data yet Cory but then I’ve been busy all weekend so would not have been able to get to it if I did have any.  A couple of local guys here said they would start saving me sonar recordings but I will have to show them how (and probably provide the SD cards) first.  That may delay any data from them for a few weeks.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2014, 07:28:17 PM »
I just recorded 5 data runs of 15 minutes apiece that I was going to send to Doc Samson and I forgot to pull my cards out of my unit when I came home (boat stays at cabin)..  Im bummed..
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2014, 10:03:18 PM »
That's ok, we still have 2ft of ice!

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2014, 09:37:21 AM »
Looks like I'll get my program in the mail today.  I think I've got a few sonar recordings I can play around with tonight. 

Hopefully I can share some screenshots later this week.


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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #65 on: April 14, 2014, 09:44:14 AM »
Camo.

All of the recordings I did on Friday were the basin area at Big Bend Dam. Had done it previously with Dr Depth, but wanted to redo it after the flooding/opening of the overflow.

Not sure when Lakemaster was there, but that chip looked pretty good for the basin area, when I ran it on Saturday..


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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #66 on: April 14, 2014, 11:41:24 AM »
I called the other day about support for the 798 ci si.  It's a non hd model and was told by the lady from humminbird that it was supported.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2014, 11:46:50 AM »
I called the other day about support for the 798 ci si.  It's a non hd model and was told by the lady from humminbird that it was supported.

"Is" or "Will be" I wonder.  I believe you need a firmware update to support Autochart and the release dates for non x99 units are... less than ideal, with the 7xx series not even on the roadmap as of yet.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2014, 12:22:22 PM »
All of the recordings I did on Friday were the basin area at Big Bend Dam. Had done it previously with Dr Depth, but wanted to redo it after the flooding/opening of the overflow.

Not sure when Lakemaster was there, but that chip looked pretty good for the basin area, when I ran it on Saturday..
I called lakemaster a while back, after the 2011 flood year.  They did a lot of their surveying on the reservoirs in 2011 because the water was high, which helped them with surveying the entire lake.  I'm guessing they did the Big Bend tailwater about that same time.  From my experience with Navionics and Lakemaster for the South Dakota region, lakemaster is the better chip to have.  Lakemaster is VERY accurate in the Dakotas, so you comment about the Big Bend area doesn't surprise me. 

I've got some sonar recordings below Ft Randall Dam, which isn't on any of the map chips.  That will be the benefit of autochart.  So hopefully I can play around with those this week sometime and report back.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2014, 12:31:17 PM »
Camo.

I also have Lakemasters and Navionics chips.  I agree, the Lakemaster is considerably better on Case than the Navionics, but the Navionics is very good on Sharpe (as is the Lakemaster)  .  I typically run my Lakemaster in my 1198 on the bow to drive the Link, but with my slower 1197 on the dash, I run the Navionics.


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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #70 on: April 14, 2014, 04:45:40 PM »
You are right.  I called again about the 798 non hd model and was told that the software upgrade for those units wouldn't be available until July.  Glad I called again to confirm because I was about to order it.  Really sucks for those of us with the smaller models.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #71 on: April 14, 2014, 04:49:11 PM »
It's not just the smaller units....it is any of the pre-2014 units......You are right, it does suck.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #72 on: April 14, 2014, 04:59:07 PM »
It does suck, and I'm with you.  Newest unit I have is the 998c HD SI.  Looks like that will come be compatible around July.  But, in the meantime, I will be able to make sonar recordings and view maps on the PC program.  Then as soon as they release the update in July, the unit should be able to read the map chip I've created at that point.

Hopefully...   

I was extremely bummed out though, to find out it wasn't just plug & play like were were led to believe initially.  They way they initially made it sound, it was just like a lakemaster chip and any unit that could read a lakemaster chip it would work in.  Now we have to wait for a unit update...

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #73 on: April 14, 2014, 05:26:31 PM »
Maybe they will have any software update bugs worked out by then..
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #74 on: April 14, 2014, 09:45:16 PM »
So what's the best way to record data for future use with Autochart?  This will be my first year with my 788 and I'm not familiar with the record feature yet.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #75 on: April 15, 2014, 08:41:17 AM »
I have an 898 and I understand I have to wait for the update to be able to use the autochart pro. I was told yesterday by Humminbird tech support that the firmware update should be released in about 6 weeks. The real question I had was if I buy the program now can i use my existing sd card to record my lake and then run it on my pc with Autochart and create maps on my pc,  then when my unit gets the update load the map i created on the zero line card and use the map on the unit.  She told me I had to record on the zero line card in order to do that which i cannot do until my unit is updated. I keep seeing post where people are recording data now in hopes of using it after the firmware updates. Has anyone tried to create a map using their existing card with any success?
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #76 on: April 15, 2014, 09:02:28 AM »
I have an 898 and I understand I have to wait for the update to be able to use the autochart pro. I was told yesterday by Humminbird tech support that the firmware update should be released in about 6 weeks. The real question I had was if I buy the program now can i use my existing sd card to record my lake and then run it on my pc with Autochart and create maps on my pc,  then when my unit gets the update load the map i created on the zero line card and use the map on the unit.  She told me I had to record on the zero line card in order to do that which i cannot do until my unit is updated. I keep seeing post where people are recording data now in hopes of using it after the firmware updates. Has anyone tried to create a map using their existing card with any success?

Mike,  I was told by Doc Samson (Dr Sonar, and  technical assistant to Dr Depth programmer)  that Auto Charts would be able to take any previously recorded date, and  convert it to a map on the Zero Line card.  He also told me that I could record new data on a SD card, and import it into Auto Chart and make a map also.  I am meeting Doc out at Chamberlain next week to take my recorded data and he is going to build a map with Auto Charts Pro as a demonstration for the Scheels training he is doing.

I am only going by what he told me.  All of my other recorded data that I used with Dr Depth, was recorded on a Lowrance 520. This is my first time recording with a Humminbird 1198. We'll see how it goes.  Will know more next week..
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #77 on: April 15, 2014, 09:10:13 AM »
Thanks for the info, I am going to order it today and hope for the best. Worst case is i will have to wait 6 weeks. I have waited 9 months so 6 weeks will not be so bad.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #78 on: April 15, 2014, 09:40:42 AM »
"I have the pro and the .drd files from DrDepth can be imported into AutoChart also."


This is from an email from Doc also so it looks like anything that was done for Dr Depth can be used also.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2014, 10:21:33 AM »
I’ve traded e-mail with the programmer himself and yes, you can record data now – without the Zero Line card – and use it to build your own maps using AutoChart.  Previously recorded sonar can also be used.  Tracks may also be used.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2014, 10:22:28 AM »
So what's the best way to record data for future use with Autochart?  This will be my first year with my 788 and I'm not familiar with the record feature yet.

Are you asking how to make a Sonar Recording or how to survey an area for the best map data?
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2014, 12:21:18 PM »
So what's the best way to record data for future use with Autochart?  This will be my first year with my 788 and I'm not familiar with the record feature yet.


Heres my sonar log trails when I did a recording on a Lowrance 520.  I forgot to save a screencapture from Friday with my 1198.  I did these about 4 mph.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2014, 01:50:03 PM »
I would like to see some maps made with the side scan mosaic option.  Seems like you could get a lot more coverage with it versus the 2d sonar.  I think my unit shoots up to 150ft both sides.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2014, 03:28:51 PM »
You can get side image picture mosaic out that far, but no depth information for making maps.  Depth information is only collected under the boat. 

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2014, 04:00:38 PM »
Are you asking how to make a Sonar Recording or how to survey an area for the best map data?

Both, I suppose!

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2014, 04:10:20 PM »
Both, I suppose!

The survey I posted above..

As far as finding the recording tab, push menu twice. Scroll over to the far right and when in the screen that you turn the screencapture on and off with.  When on that screen, push your menu button and there will be a tab that says Start Recording.  Push that, and then from there, you can view any other screen you want.  I record about 15 minutes per run, and then stop and restart recording again.  That way if you have something corrupt your data, youre not out the whole area if you record the whole thing.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2014, 09:47:03 AM »
Alright, so I was able to get Autochart installed last night and play around with it for a little bit. 

From my quick use, it will take a little bit of a learning curve to become familiar with the program.  But, this program can do a LOT of stuff! 

For those of you wondering what you can import, I've attached a screenshot after I clicked import.  You can import data from old Humminbird tracks (.ht), Humminbird sonar recordings (.dat or .son), old Dr. Depth files (.drd), Google Earth Files (.kml).  I pulled in some Humminbird tracks I saved in July of 2010 even.  So you certainly can start saving any sonar recordings or track files you want to use later on, before you own the program. 

I was going to also include one of the help manuals, the "Getting Started" manual.  But it is 3.4MB, and I'm limited to 3.0MB for attachments here.  The "Getting Started" manual will answer quite a few of the simple questions, if I can figure out a way to post it.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2014, 10:07:08 AM »
Alright, so I was able to get Autochart installed last night and play around with it for a little bit. 

From my quick use, it will take a little bit of a learning curve to become familiar with the program.  But, this program can do a LOT of stuff! 

For those of you wondering what you can import, I've attached a screenshot after I clicked import.  You can import data from old Humminbird tracks (.ht), Humminbird sonar recordings (.dat or .son), old Dr. Depth files (.drd), Google Earth Files (.kml).  I pulled in some Humminbird tracks I saved in July of 2010 even.  So you certainly can start saving any sonar recordings or track files you want to use later on, before you own the program. 

I was going to also include one of the help manuals, the "Getting Started" manual.  But it is 3.4MB, and I'm limited to 3.0MB for attachments here.  The "Getting Started" manual will answer quite a few of the simple questions, if I can figure out a way to post it.

Feel free to email it to me, I might be able to save it in a more compressed format to post.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2014, 10:15:20 AM »
CamoHunter,

I agree with you, there will be a learning curve but there are a lot of powerful tools in this program.  I was going to post the "Getting Started" instructions as well but ran into the same problem with the 3.0MB limit.  I then tried to find a link to the manual on-line but as of yet have not found one.  With the limited time I have had with this and only 1 .ht file to play with of my own, it's going to take a bit to get familiar.  Did you read about the Follow the contour section?  I am hoping there is a select all contour lines for this option as I really don't want to select each line I might possibly want to follow.

Also, have you registered your copy yet?  I have been having problems with this as the serial number is not recognized as a valid Humminbird Product number.  I may just be in the wrong section, not sure yet.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2014, 11:55:40 AM »
Okay, I think I got it.  Here is the Autochart "Getting Started" manual.

I also attached the "User Manual" which has more in-depth details.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2014, 12:01:50 PM »
Did you read about the Follow the contour section?  I am hoping there is a select all contour lines for this option as I really don't want to select each line I might possibly want to follow.

Goosedwnr, I'm not sure what you're referring to.  I didn't see any "follow the contour" section.  Are you by chance confusing it with the "Creating contour lines or marking features with tracks" section on page 18?  If so, that is something different.  That allows you to export contour lines and bottom features as track files (.ht). 

That actually raises a good point.  For those of you wanting to create custom maps before the unit updates come out to use the zerolines sd card on your unit, this would be a round about way of doing that.  You would export your contour lines as track files to any SD card, and be able to see your lake contours as track files (essentially the same way Reefmaster does it).

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #91 on: April 16, 2014, 12:15:44 PM »
Which type of file is best to use for Autochart, track files or sonar log files?

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #92 on: April 16, 2014, 12:18:29 PM »
A couple other items I found that are interesting:

If for some reason there isn't a shoreline for a body of water you're interested in mapping, it looks like you could create your own shoreline.

Like the old Dr. Depth, there is an option for live mapping of data.  For instance, you have a laptop on your boat, hooked up to the depthfinder by an ethernet cord or NMEA0183.

You can draw custom itracks for your trolling motor to follow.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #93 on: April 16, 2014, 12:21:02 PM »
Which type of file is best to use for Autochart, track files or sonar log files?

Sonar log files are best.  Because they include sonar data which is necessary for bottom hardness.  It also records side imaging if you have a side imaging unit.  Autochart Pro is needed for bottom hardness and side imaging mosaic. 

If saving a Humminbird track file, it recommends changing the track point interval to 1 second.  I can't remember what the default is, 5 seconds maybe? 

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #94 on: April 16, 2014, 12:41:30 PM »
Sonar log files are best.  Because they include sonar data which is necessary for bottom hardness.  It also records side imaging if you have a side imaging unit.  Autochart Pro is needed for bottom hardness and side imaging mosaic. 

If saving a Humminbird track file, it recommends changing the track point interval to 1 second.  I can't remember what the default is, 5 seconds maybe?
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Just to make sure I understand correctly, track files contain only gps and depth info, while sonar recordings contain gps, depth, bottom hardness, and side imaging info, correct?

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #95 on: April 16, 2014, 12:46:02 PM »
Exactly.  Track files just contain a whole lot of points, sort of like a breadcrumb trail of Lat, Long, Depth points. 

Sonar recordings contain all raw data from the transducer (all position data, all depth data, all sonar data, etc).

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #96 on: April 16, 2014, 12:53:36 PM »
Thanks for the tips!  Now if we can just get rid of this blasted ice!  Snow in the forecast tonight...

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #97 on: April 16, 2014, 01:31:10 PM »
has anyone tried sidescan mosaic yet?
 i wonder if any improvement from drdepth days have been made?
with old software u had to be quite precise with scan lines so as not to have sharp turns in data and or too much overlap of data as it would detract from image quality....lots even used other software to edit tracks/data (ie ) sonar trx etc.
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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #98 on: April 16, 2014, 01:41:04 PM »
I haven't.  I just played with my program for about an hour last night. 

It makes sense though, that if you want a quality sidescan mosaic, that you would want to be pretty precise with straight line boat runs parallel to each other.

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Re: LakeMaster "AutoChart"
« Reply #99 on: April 16, 2014, 02:34:36 PM »
The AutoChart manuals are on-line but you have to look under the product listing itself.  Not sure how long they have been there as I did not think to look for them there.  I have asked that get added to the operations manual page.  Here is a link to the manuals for the AutoChart North American Pro version:
http://www.humminbird.com/Products/AUTOCHART-PRO-N-AM/

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