Author Topic: How do i get signals from 987 Cx SI to my notebook (Read 21549 times)

dybvad417 · « **on:** April 25, 2009, 02:34:25 PM »

How do i get signals from 987 Cx SI to my notebook (DrDepth)

The AS-PC2 cable accessory.

http://www.humminbird.com/support/FAQ.aspx?faqid=34

" AS PC2 Accessory Kit (not recommended for any 900 or 1100 Series Products "

http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/index.php?topic=10.0

" The AS-PC2 cable accessory is required to connect the computer to the accessory connector on the Fishing System. "

I am very confused now.

What are the pigtail signals sending out ??

Gert

Humminbird_Greg · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:03:29 PM »

The AS-PC is not recommended for use with the larger 900 and 100 series because it uses two 9-volt batteries to power the unit. This is not enough energy to update the software in one of these units nor to manage the software in for more than a few minutes. If you were to use your own power supply it could work though (if your unit is on your boat than use your normal power cable).

The AS-PC can be used to send the NMEA data from a Sonar Recording to your computer. For external GPS Receiver model units it cannot be used 'live' on the boat without some cable modification due to the fact that the NMEA connector is occupied by the GPS Receiver. If the unit has an internal GPS Receiver than yes it could be used live on the boat for this. If you have an external GPS model unit than you have a few options:
- connect from the NMEA pigtail to your computer using your own wires.
- cut the Humminbird connector off of the PC Connect cable and wire it to the NMEA pigtail wires.
- use a SysLink cable and cut the connector off of the shortest section of the cable and wire this to the NMEA pigtail wire.
In all three cases you will need to set the NMEA Output menu to "On".

Greg Walters at Humminbird

Chiboo · « **Reply #2 on:** April 29, 2009, 09:11:15 AM »

Hello, Robert!

In report NMEA in products HB the following Sentence for depth definition - $INDPT, d.d, o.o*hh is used. Some programs do not distinguish this Sentence and proceeding from it depth calculation is not conducted. Whether there is a possibility in devices HB somehow to change type of a Sentence for depth data transmission?

RGecy · « **Reply #3 on:** May 04, 2009, 01:46:36 AM »

Chiboo,

There is no way to change this with any settings, etc. It would have to be changed via software update from Humminbird and unless there is a huge demand for other formats, it will probably not happen any time soon.

Robert

Chiboo · « **Reply #4 on:** May 06, 2009, 03:03:56 AM »

It is necessary to hope that HB will make it sometime and it does not remain simply in WishList. Such programs as Piscatus 3D, StarFish Scanline and some other use others sentece ` s in depth calculation.

pebe · « **Reply #5 on:** June 02, 2009, 05:05:26 PM »

Hello,
Is this right ?
The AS PC2 and the AS-HHGPS uses the same Connector on the Unit called NMEA/COM Connector.
The AS-HHGPS has a 12V Pin (Nr1) wired which is normally usable for supporting the 12V to an GPS unit ?
The NMEA IN/OUT pins (Nr. 5 and 6) in conjunction with GND Pin (Nr2) for the NMEA Data In/Out.

And the AS-PC2 has the same Wiring for the NMEA IN/OUT Pins. (Nr.2,5 and 6)
AND uses the AS-PC2 the (Nr1) 12V Pin for bringing the 12V into the Unit ?
So this means that the normale Power Cable positive PIN is connected to the Pin 1 on the NEMA/COM Connector ?
Or uses the AS-PC2 Cable Pin 3 and 4 for Bringing the 12V to the unit ß

If this is not, for what are the Pins 3 and 4 ?
Are they for the RS232 Connection to the PC ? (Because the RS232 Connection is not using the NMEA In/Out pins for communication ?

Best help would be an pinout for the AS-PC2 Cable

So we can see the difference between this to cables.
Thank You
pebe

Humminbird_Greg · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2009, 11:56:20 AM »

“The AS PC2 and the AS-HHGPS uses the same Connector on the Unit called NMEA/COM Connector.”
They both use the same connector but the pins are populated differently. The AS-PC has only three connector pins while the AS-HHGPS cable has four (the fourth pin is for a low wattage 12-volt output to a hand held GPS unit).

“The AS-HHGPS has a 12V Pin (Nr1) wired which is normally usable for supporting the 12V to an GPS unit ?”
Yes but as stated above this is a low wattage 12-volts and may not work with all hand held GPS units.

“The NMEA IN/OUT pins (Nr. 5 and 6) in conjunction with GND Pin (Nr2) for the NMEA Data In/Out.
And the AS-PC2 has the same Wiring for the NMEA IN/OUT Pins. (Nr.2,5 and 6)”
Yes and Yes.

“AND uses the AS-PC2 the (Nr1) 12V Pin for bringing the 12V into the Unit ?
So this means that the normale Power Cable positive PIN is connected to the Pin 1 on the NEMA/COM Connector ?
Or uses the AS-PC2 Cable Pin 3 and 4 for Bringing the 12V to the unit”
No. The AS-PC cable does not have a +12-volt connector pin in it, so there would be no connection. The +12-volts that the AS-HHGPS provides is a low wattage connection and could provide enough power to make one of our units run. The circuitry would quickly burn out if this was tried. There is no direct connection between the power cables +12-volt pin and the #1 +12-volt pin on the AS-HHGPS. There is switched circuitry in between these.

“If this is not, for what are the Pins 3 and 4 ?
Are they for the RS232 Connection to the PC ? (Because the RS232 Connection is not using the NMEA In/Out pins for communication ?”
Pins #3 and #4 are used for our “smart accessories” and are an RS-485 format. These pins are not populated in either the AS-HHPS or AS-PC cables.

“Best help would be an pinout for the AS-PC2 Cable”
I can probably arrange that:

pebe · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2009, 02:23:41 PM »

Very good, Help Greg.
Thanks a lot (again) for the Pinout.

So everyone can decide which is the best Solution for their usage.

Mine is like follows:
So the easiest Way for me is to use the AS-PC2 if i want to get the NEMA Data into the PC instead of the AS-HHGPS, because the AS-PC2 has already a DB9 Connector which can be plugged into the PC.

bye
pebe

If i use Humminbird PC connecting to the unit, the Unit itself checks that there ist Humminbird PC running instead of putting the NMEA Data out ?

Chiboo · « **Reply #8 on:** June 03, 2009, 02:34:22 PM »

Greg, thanks you, all the same, for the information forced by people are final.... Tell better, whether will turn HB faced to people? I understand, all wish to eat etc... But all the same.... HB became the pioneer to hearts of fishermen and the advanced people, whether that time when it is time to listen to words and requests of those people, which till now mind and heart with HB has come? Two simple things - 1) access to the external cartography 2) the accessible external interface....... also believe, then equal to you will not be..... A software as meat itself will rise...... Has forgotten one thing.... Pricing outside the limits of states

Humminbird_Greg · « **Reply #9 on:** June 04, 2009, 09:13:50 AM »

Pebe,
If you have a Humminbird unit connected to a computer and run HumminbirdPC than the unit should go into a (low power) communications mode and would not be outputting any NMEA data.

Humminbird_Greg · « **Reply #10 on:** June 04, 2009, 09:15:21 AM »

Chiboo,
I’m sorry but I did not understand your post.

pebe · « **Reply #11 on:** June 04, 2009, 11:07:37 AM »

Quote from: Humminbird_Greg on June 04, 2009, 09:13:50 AM

Pebe,
If you have a Humminbird unit connected to a computer and run HumminbirdPC than the unit should go into a (low power) communications mode and would not be outputting any NMEA data.

Thank You.

So i have to run Humminbird PC first and then power on the Unit, to give the Unit the possibility to recognize Humminbird PC ?

By the Way,
i believe what Chiboo wants to say is:
that he will appreciate it if Humminbird comes closer to the customers,
to their wishes and that what they really need.
So that Humminbird could hold his leading Position in Sideimaging.
Because if Lowrance launches their Systems similar HB SI Technic, and if they don't have big Problems, a lot of the Customers prefer Lowrance.
Because Lowrance offers a Way to use custom build maps in the Units.
(And some other things which are a little bit Userfriendly than HB handle things)

pebe

Humminbird_Greg · « **Reply #12 on:** June 05, 2009, 11:36:16 AM »

Pebe,
Not sure that HumminbirdPC has to be run first as mine will connect regardless of which is powered on first.

Thanks for the translation of what Chiboo/Alex posted – and I could not agree more. I do feel like we have been fairly responsive to what many Customers want but not so far in the mapping area. I know that this has been requested in the past and do not know what would be needed to implement something like this. You guys keep suggesting on your end and I’ll keep pushing from my end.

Jolly Roger · « **Reply #13 on:** January 28, 2010, 04:17:48 AM »

Quote from: Humminbird_Greg on June 04, 2009, 09:13:50 AM

If you have a Humminbird unit connected to a computer and run HumminbirdPC than the unit should go into a (low power) communications mode and would not be outputting any NMEA data.

Greg or someone else,

sorry to warm up this threat, but I need some clarification on this:
Is the unit going into communication mode only if I have HumminbirdPC running on the Laptop/PC or is it also going into communication mode if I just connect the PC connection cable?

My idea was to use my laptop and navigation software (Quo Vadis) for navigation, because I would like to have the bigger screen of my laptop. I thought I can use the AS GR50 GPS receiver via my 981 to provide the navigation input.

If the unit is going into communication mode just by connecting the PC connection cable and not outputting NMEA, I'll buy a GPS mouse and connect it to the Laptop.

Thanks for your advice in advance

Harry

Jolly Roger · « **Reply #14 on:** January 28, 2010, 08:38:33 AM »

I think I figured it out.
If I only connect the cable, nothing happens. But as soon as I start HumminbirdPC the unit shows a blank screen and a box in the middle on the top saying "PC connection".

Now here's another question: Can I use the second port on the backside of my unit to hook up the PC cable/Laptop for the above mentioned purpose?

Regards / Harry

Humminbird_Greg · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2010, 05:05:30 PM »

Not on the 981 Harry. They never activated or made use of this port except while testing the unit in the factory. The only way to get the NMEA Output would be to cut the AS-PC cable or make your own to connect to the NMEA pigtail wire of the GPS Receiver.

Jolly Roger · « **Reply #16 on:** February 21, 2010, 03:29:06 PM »

Greg or someone else,

the navigation software I'm using needs the following NMEA sentences:
$GPRMC, $GPGGA, $GPGLL, $GPGSV und $GPVTG.

Is this what my 981 is sending??

Regards / Harry

dybvad417 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 21, 2010, 03:50:42 PM »

Quote from: Jolly Roger on February 21, 2010, 03:29:06 PM

Greg or someone else,

the navigation software I'm using needs the following NMEA sentences:
$GPRMC, $GPGGA, $GPGLL, $GPGSV und $GPVTG.

Is this what my 981 is sending??

Regards / Harry

You can download this program drd3p7_PCsetup.exe from this link http://www.drdepth.se/download.php?l=gb

The program wil tell you whic nmea sentense the pigtail are sending out.

Regards
Gert

keizerh · « **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2010, 04:25:01 PM »

Or use hyperterminal, standard on your PC on 4800 baud 8,N,1

hendrik
(Who is jumping in NMEA2000 adventures)

Jolly Roger · « **Reply #19 on:** February 21, 2010, 04:41:46 PM »

Thanks Gert and Hendrik,
I asked the Quo Vadis support guys if the software can use the NMEA data from the bird and sent them a hyperterminal protocol. I got the answer that there are no recognizable sentences there.
Is it because the bird sentences start with "in" instead of "GP"?

Harry

dybvad417 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 21, 2010, 05:32:52 PM »

Quote from: Jolly Roger on February 21, 2010, 04:41:46 PM

Thanks Gert and Hendrik,
I asked the Quo Vadis support guys if the software can use the NMEA data from the bird and sent them a hyperterminal protocol. I got the answer that there are no recognizable sentences there.
Is it because the bird sentences start with "in" instead of "GP"?

Harry

page 48 from the Gps GR16 manual

Jolly Roger · « **Reply #21 on:** February 22, 2010, 02:57:03 AM »

Thanks Gert!

It still looks like that the software can't take the sentences send by the unit.
But my DIY Cable works at least

Regards / Harry

Humminbird_Greg · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2010, 01:01:30 PM »

Quote from: Jolly Roger on February 21, 2010, 04:41:46 PM

Thanks Gert and Hendrik,
I asked the Quo Vadis support guys if the software can use the NMEA data from the bird and sent them a hyperterminal protocol. I got the answer that there are no recognizable sentences there.
Is it because the bird sentences start with "in" instead of "GP"?

Harry

That would be my guess Harry as we have seen this before. Something may be in the works to get by this but for now you can tap into the NMEA Output wire in the GPS cable itself to bypass this. It will have the “GP” prefix on the NMEA sentences and should work but will not have any water depth or temperature data from the unit itself.

Jolly Roger · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2010, 02:52:35 PM »

Ha!
These guys at TOURATECH are as good as our people here!
They have an update made which accepts data with "IN" prefix.
Now I just plug the AS-PS2 cable into my tuned GPS pigtail and I got position and track, can create waypoints in the software. Is this cool or what???
Yiiihaa!

Regards / (happy) Harry

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